Posted on 04/30/2006 3:11:01 PM PDT by wagglebee
She looks more 'Kim Bassinger' to me. ;)
Definately they should consider adoption. I am actually surprised women will go through 9 months of pregnancy to have a baby that isn't their own biologically speaking. I guess they are doing it for the husband.. or because as I understand adopting white children is very expensive?
The treatment of genetic diseases opens a whole bunch of issues. For example I think it was two dwarfs who wanted a baby, who wasn't a dwarf. On one pair of genes both dwarf parents had the 'dwarf gene', and a normal one. So there was a 75% chance that the baby would be a dwarf if I understood it. So I think they screened out 75% of the embryos to get the 25% that would lead to a non-dwarf child who also wasn't a carrier of those genes.
Now basically they are destroying life.. yet at the same time its life that wouldn't otherwise have been created, as the dwarfs didn't want to have dwarf children or run the 75% chance.
It's in the Proverbs of Soloman:
[Make me rich enough not to steal]
[Make me poor enough not to forget you]
That may be. Those things are against the law in this country, and would be prosecuted. So far, I don't see that anyone considers IVF to be in the same category. Have you heard of ANY effort to outlaw it?
The dwarfs you mentioned who it thought it was OK to selectively kill dwarfs --- who also happened to be their own genetic children --- show an appalling attitude. Apparently they think "their own kind" is just biological garbage. Very sad.
No there is no law about IVF in this country, because the left has totally devalued human life. This doesn't make IVF morally justifiable any more than abortion or euthanasia are justifiable. You seem to have fallen victime to the notion that legality equates right.
One can hold something to be immoral without the necessity of agitating to make the activity illegal. They serve two different purposes.
Adultery is certainly immoral, and was once a criminal offense in the various states. Now it is would be considered prosecutorial misconduct to dust off one of these old statutes and charge someone with adultery.
That doesn't make it moral, it just tells us that society tolerates this immorality.
One could say the same thing about other sinful behaviors, from drunkeness to gluttony to greed. They are immoral, but not illegal.
Apples and oranges.
SD
No, I'm not a "victime" of that (why did you feminize the ending?). If there were any kind of consensus that IVF should not be done, it would be on a moral level, and there would be some move to outlaw it. Not a peep. Surely the "left" is not that powerful. Maybe people just disagree with you.
If YOU believe IVF to be unjustifiable, don't have any part in it. Legality does not automatically equal "right", but it does act as an indicator of what society finds acceptable.
"One can hold something to be immoral without the necessity of agitating to make the activity illegal."
Odd, the anti-abortion people would disagree with you. Perhaps on IVF, there's simply a realization that the PR would be very bad, having loud demonstrations outside clinics where women are TRYING to become mothers, rather than trying to avoid motherhood. :)
I did not "feminize" anything it was a typo. You obviously are very much behind the Culture of Death's agenda (abortion, euthanasia) and everything that goes with it (destruction of embryos, etc.), so go on your way blissfully telling yourself that everything legal is right.
And you go on your way seeing in every post only what corresponds to your own set beliefs. Buh-bye. :)
Odd, the anti-abortion people would disagree with you.
I am the "anti-abortion people." I don't disagree with me.
Why don't you try arguing your side of the argument and leave the other arguments to the other side?
Perhaps on IVF, there's simply a realization that the PR would be very bad, having loud demonstrations outside clinics where women are TRYING to become mothers, rather than trying to avoid motherhood. :)
Maybe what is moral and what is immoral has nothing to do with "PR" and what the majority of people in a sick society think? We need to change hearts and minds on any number of things. Only for the most egregious do we need to use the force of law.
Next you'll be saying that since I think adultery is wrong, I must want the law changed and enforced to allow stonings for the offense.
SD
No, I won't say that. We're not an Islamic society YET, thank heaven.
So then you do recognize that people can think something immoral without having to agitate for the activity to be made illegal. Thank you.
SD
Well, murder for hire is illegal, isn't it?
Anyone who actually reads the Old Testament knows that immoral behavior, even though the culture at that time sanctioned it, had bad results for everyone involved in it, and that it displeased God. You need to be a bit more knowledgeable before you indulge in your sneering.
Yeah right. Eggs not sperm, thus the potential target is protected by the court system.
Because cooperating in this unnatural form of human rproduction is damaging to both "parents" and the child. It damages the "parents" because it deforms their understanding of human life as something they can summon (and therefore, by the same logic, dismiss) at will.
It damages the child because it commoditises the components of human life and imposes on the offspring unjust expectations.
No one has a right to a child. A child is a gift from God, and therefore a mystery that reflects the complete and unreserved mutual self-gift of husband and wife. No one should have hanging over his head the threat of an angry parent saying "I paid good money for you," or the thought that, since "it's cool to spread your DNA around", the birth mother's regard for the child she carried may be conficted.
Conservatives are supposed to understand the value of restraint: "because I want it" and "because I can" are not generally regarded as acceptable reasons to conservatives.
You sound like another one of those religious whackos who doesn't believe in "doctors" or "medicine" or "science" ...
I was about to say (and I think I shall) that you sound like one of those whackos who doesn't know what a human being is, and has never given it a moment's thought.
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