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The unthinkable: A General Motors bankruptcy
mcall ^ | April 30, 2006 | Tom Petruno and John O'Dell

Posted on 04/30/2006 6:51:38 AM PDT by ncountylee

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To: claudiustg
We love the S-2000! However with two young drivers in the house the insurance premiums are sky high! I'm considering another Accord this year. The body style is now similar to the Civic, just bigger. Gas mileage is good too.
201 posted on 04/30/2006 2:56:08 PM PDT by alice_in_bubbaland (No Amnesty for Law Breaking Illegals!)
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To: Drango

Please remember there are a lot of NON-UNION WORKERS, that make parts for GM.

For the record, I do think the unions have screwed GM, of course GM didn't have the b***s face a strike.

Also, if GM goes down, a FReeper could lose his house, car ect.


202 posted on 04/30/2006 3:08:06 PM PDT by Springman
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To: Mr. Brightside
The other question to ask is how many of the 147,000 are really out on the production line or working on delivering a product.

I just hope that the 607,000 people associated with GM are at least buying GM products. Because if the people who are building them won't buy them why should I??
203 posted on 04/30/2006 3:47:39 PM PDT by pterional
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To: Roccus

I understand that the truth hurts and that I hit a nerve with you. No hard feelings on my part though.


204 posted on 04/30/2006 3:54:58 PM PDT by SamAdams76 (I think Randy Travis must be paying his bills on home computer by now)
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To: Springman
Also, if GM goes down, a FReeper could lose his house, car ect.

Too true. Many FReepers will hurt bigtime if GM goes belly up. And to be clear, I want it to survive. But the cancer of unions and poor management needs to be cut out for it to thrive. The transition will not be without pain.

205 posted on 04/30/2006 4:01:23 PM PDT by Drango (No electrons were harmed in this posting. Several however, were inconvenienced.)
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To: ncountylee
''For the good of everyone, they must succeed and they need our help,'' the ad read. ''We pledge ours. We hope you will do the same.''

Begging is ugly...especially when a gigantic corporation does it. Sheesh.

206 posted on 04/30/2006 4:05:41 PM PDT by pollyannaish
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To: Principled

.....THey haven't really even tried to make a go of selling overseas because they wouldn't be able to compete price-wise.......

This doesn't properly state the situation. GM like their counterparts have manufacturing plants around the world. They supply local markets from local plants and don't really neeed to export from America.

It is my understanding their foreign operations are profitable.


207 posted on 04/30/2006 4:17:40 PM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. Slay Pinch)
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To: ncountylee

The contrarian answer is HGM.


208 posted on 04/30/2006 4:30:54 PM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. Slay Pinch)
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To: ncountylee

and where did GM place it's bets on the 2007/08 model years?
Large SUVs ofcourse as their moneymakers and a few hybrids that improve MPG negligably.


209 posted on 04/30/2006 4:35:29 PM PDT by Joan Kerrey (what support is Sinclair giving to a candidate)
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To: Muzzle_em
Similar story to my exhaust valve experience. When it started going bad and my truck was losing power, with the SES light coming on intermittently, I paid three separate visits to the dealership's service center, at $60+ per crack.

To make a long story short, the vaunted GM service technicians, who could never get past their computer readers and do some real mechanic detective work, never did discover what my problem was on their own. My next door neighbor, who is an old school mechanic (but not currently in the business), briefly checked the compression in all of my cylinders and found that only three of them were working properly. Further checking showed that one of my engine's exhaust valves had completely blown out due to a factory defect (I guess the Union workers and GM quality control folks were not paying attention when my truck was originally built).

So, in only five minutes, he essentially diagnosed the problem for the GM service techs, who eventually fixed the problem under warrantry, but I was still out over $400 for the previous visits and lost work time.

210 posted on 04/30/2006 4:56:49 PM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner ("Si vis pacem para bellum")
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To: ncountylee
As GM Goes, So Goes the Nation, according to PIMCO bond guru Bill Gross.

But we all know it can't happen here </sarcasm>.

211 posted on 04/30/2006 5:00:08 PM PDT by logician2u
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To: proudpapa
Thank the union!

The management is equally if not more to blame. The shame is that once they do go bankrupt guess who inherits the pension plan payments. Yup! the good old American Taxpayer.

212 posted on 04/30/2006 5:05:07 PM PDT by stig
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To: Drango

Let's hope management gets it right. Heck, heard on the drive home, forgot which day, Rick Wagener pay was down from 4 million to 2 million.


213 posted on 04/30/2006 5:49:29 PM PDT by Springman
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To: ncountylee
The problem in one word? Greed. (Which will eventually lead to the downfall of our country).

Greed by the unions (demanding more than what was reasonable; not working closely enough with the company to recognize an unsustainable benefit package).

Greed by G.M. (Management being so arrogant in their Ivory Tower that they didn't keep in touch with the average consumer and what they wanted and could afford).

Greed by the dealerships.(Not taking care of the people that "buttered their bread"---the buyers). It only takes getting burned on a $20,000 product once before you go elsewhere on your next purchase.

In a free-market economy, G.M. is getting what it deserves.

214 posted on 04/30/2006 6:00:39 PM PDT by BILLNHILL MAKE ME ILL (Never forget our troops or what they are doing for us...)
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To: bert
It is my understanding their foreign operations are profitable.

This is my understanding too. This highlights that domestic operations lose money while foreign operations make money.

Again, this is due to labor costs and tax costs of US mfgd good.

215 posted on 04/30/2006 6:06:11 PM PDT by Principled
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To: langalibalele

My wife has a 320 ML, it's junk, in the shop every 6-8 weeks.

We keep our autos prestine. Shoddy parts most of the time, and cheap plastic interior. knobs and switched break constantly...

MB has the lowest quality of all the foreign cars, as measured by consumer reports for JD Powers, for the last several years and has also been bleeding red.


216 posted on 04/30/2006 6:10:54 PM PDT by wrathof59
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To: bert
AHA Bert - I reread my post and it is not clear what I was trying to say - that the US portion of GM is as good as gone -

IMO before GM itself goes bankrupt, they'll move somewhere that has lower labor costs and border-adjustable taxes.

217 posted on 04/30/2006 6:14:28 PM PDT by Principled
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To: thirst4truth

I'm not worried about a warranty, I just want parts....


218 posted on 04/30/2006 6:17:22 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: Democratshavenobrains
If only the oil industry was as cooly efficient and competitive as the automobile industry.

Bwahahahahaha! We'd all ride horses!

219 posted on 04/30/2006 6:22:05 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: ExcursionGuy84
But I'm sure that, as long as the Unions have to get their Lions--and I do mean LIONS--share of General Motor's profits...

....then GM's demise is Inevitable.....which does not comfort me in any way.

The solution is obvious. Replace the union labor with illegals at fraction of the hourly and no benefits and the problem is solved, thus proving the point that illegals are crucial to our economic well being ;-)

220 posted on 04/30/2006 6:23:47 PM PDT by varon (Allegiance to the constitution, always. Allegiance to a political party, never.)
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