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there are no civilians once a nuclear war has been started by the other guys.

And you need to read your Thucydides to understand why this is the only course open to us if we wish to survive in this hypothetical situation.

If we are nuked all "modern civilized" rules are over. Done. Finished. We would be, in one bound, set back to the ethics and moral REQUIREMENTS of the year 732.

If you don't realize that than you are doomed, as well as nuts. Worse, if you argue that then you are threatening the continued existence of any human civilization, let alone "liberal democracy."

Your arguments reminds me of Kerry, Dean, Kucinich or Neville Chamberlain. "We can't even consider that! Anyone who disagrees is nut's! It just CAN'T happen. They aren't that crazy."

How many million died the last time? They didn't have a choice once they realized they were fighting monsters. And, thank God, men like Churchill and Roosevelt, didn't flinch (too much) over the question of "civilian casualties." If they did you'd be dead or speaking either Japanese or German.

I started to write a response but then thought better of it. There is no amount of logic that could possibly correct all the idiotic opinions expressed in your last post.

Our ability to restrain ourselves is underrated. We are the only nation to have used nukes and we will be loath to repeat that against a civilian population. That said, you are correct if a high megaton weapon is used against or population. Odds that this will be the case are low. A single 10 to 20 kt weapon though devastating will probably not trigger a massive response unless a nation state is directly implicated. I have my doubts that anyone would do it that way. Probably a surrogate would do the dirty deed and have sufficient cover to allow the leftists here to say: "are you sure?" and "slam dunk huh?".