[gafusa]

Definitely. Unfortunately I cannot see any solution. Any idea how we can get out of this mess? Self government requires the highest levels of morality and responsibility, with those almost gone, it seems rule by the people will die. People will willingly accept a benevolent right-wing dictatorship, as it would probably impose the fair tax, would definitely take economic action against countries like China, expand domestic energy, and crush crime, likely in a some what draconian manner, and seal the border. The economy would boom, gas prices would drop, people would feel safe, and they would then not rebel. The only reason the Soviet Union fell was because of its economic model, you can buy the populace off with economic prosperity and security, and create a nearly invulnerable regime. People care about themselves far more than principles, so it is easy. People will trade liberty for money and security. People only really opposed the fascist regimes when the war went bad, causing shortages and feelings of insecurity.

[Carry_Okie]

Any idea how we can get out of this mess?

I'm doing my bit to help free enterprise substitute for regulatory government.

I don't know what else I can do. Environmentalism is the principal means by which we fund our enemies and destroy our ability to sustain a protracted and bloody war.