Hamad Mir - "Terrorists will Use Nukes in America if U.S. Bombs Iran!"

Terrorism Press COnference ^ | 4-28-06 | Bob J

[ryan71]

If AQ had nukes they would use them to hold us all hostage, now.

They'd set one off in NY to prove they have them, then have a list of demands.

[Southack]

"I never said that details *didn't matter*. What I said is that *details will follow decision*. It will *always* come sooner or later. "Man is man." What one man in one place in the world can "work out" -- so can another. We are not composed of superior and inferior races. We are all the same. We will all work out the details -- sooner or later."

It's not racial; it's cultural. Every race is capable of breeding a genius now and again...but not every cultural can harness that genius.

Zimbabwe isn't going to invent a car that gets 500mpg and outruns Ferrari Enzo's...even though a genius could be born there as easily as anywhere.

Likewise, not every culture that wants to go to the Moon will make it there (cultures do go extinct, after all). Not every nation that wants nukes will get them, either.

The more pressing threats than Al Qaeda for obtaining high tech weapons are the more advanced cultures (especially when led by rogue elements)...Iran certainly qualifying. North Korea turns out a fair number of geniuses, by the way...it is their culture that holds them back.

[gafusa]

I think both parties are done if that happens. A dictatorship would result, at the people's demand. If a nuke goes off, we will have some general or colonel as president.

[Star Traveler]

You said -- "It's poor math. If caught with even 1 nuke, Al Qaeda would face vast new challenges. Losing 999 would doom them; actually, they'd be doomed far earlier, and are probably already doomed due to our global successes in the war on terror."

It's not bad math. What that math shows is that they can fail a lot and still win. With us, it means we have to be 100% -- or we lose. Now by lose -- that means that some terrorism gets through (or an item gets through or whatever they are trying to do).

It doesn't have to be nukes for 999 times. The formula indicates they can fail a lot and still win. With us we have to win 100% of the time. That's what I call a *bad equation* for us. And I imagine that it's this type of equation which tells our officials (which they've said) that we *will have a successful terrorist attack* on our soil -- again. They say that. The "math" is why they say that.

As far as nukes -- I'm sorry -- I do not believe that we are *infallible*. Not at all. I believe we *will fail*. And from the looks of it we don't even have the game plan right. We are not defending the borders. We have people that get into this country through normal channels that we're not stopping. This was on the news just recently (in the last few weeks).

So, you're asking me to believe in the infallibility of the government to succeed on those 1,000 times and not fail just once. Nope -- I can't believe it. Anyone else who knows our government (and just "people" in general) won't believe it either.

And once again -- that's why we have to eliminate Islam as a viable religion in the world and get rid of the *source* of the terrorism. Fighting simply "terrorism" is just as ridiculous as fighting "guns" to combat "crime". We need to fight the *source* of the problem -- which is Islam.

Regards,
Star Traveler

P.S. -- And those other examples of what we have done -- all you can say is "Thank God for that!" But, I don't believe we'll stop it all. And that's the problem. It *is going to come* -- sooner or later. Get ready for it.

[ConservativeMind]

Just try it, A-holes...

[mikethevike]

I'm so tired of hearing these Muscums talking trash. If they do detonate a nuke in the US, I say we level Iran AND Mecca - reserving the rest of our revenge for a later date. But it doesn't matter what I say, I see no leaders with any balls to carry out revenge in this way.

[Carry_Okie]

If a nuke goes off, we will have some general or colonel as president.

Over my dead body, maybe.

[conservative physics]

note the end result.

[Sender]

Along with wanting to align a major attack with some moon sign or significant date, even more important might be the personal ambitions of the potential "mahdis", to make sure that they get recognized...

[gotribe]

We can sustain more nuclear damage than they can. Let's say they have 3 totally effective small nukes and they take out part of NYC, part of LA, and part of Chicago.

We on the other hand then take out all of Tehran, all of Damascus, all of North Yemen, all of the Bekaa Valley, and all of the Afghan / Pakistan border area. Iran won't exist without Tehran, Syria without Damascus, Hamas without the valley, and the taliban without the border.

Problem solved, and done will full and complete international and moral justification.

[Star Traveler]

You said -- "It's not racial; it's cultural. Every race is capable of breeding a genius now and again...but not every cultural can harness that genius."

Okay, as long as you say it's not racial, yes..., that's fine. And as far as the culture is concerned, I would suppose that has to do with the general infrastructure -- perhaps..., and that may help. But, it's not something that cannot be overcome. I think these terrorists have shown us that. They can do a lot, in spite of whatever culture they are in.

But, with our world today -- cultural boundaries are not the impediment that they might have been at one time in the past. We're crossing cultural boundaries relatively easily and people go back and forth all over the world and from one culture to another. They get their training; they get their knowledge, they go back to whatever their culture is and apply it.

Also, I've said before that it's decision and then it's detail -- and the detail can be purchased (whether it's an education or an expert or a whole team of experts or simply some restricted knowledge meant to hamper others from advancing in certain fields).

What's the most important is the decision. I've seen, throughout my whole life that decisions are *key* -- and *detail* always follows. If you don't have the details you either buy it, steal it or learn it -- one way or another -- sooner or later.

We're continually seeing this all the time. That's why I don't trust our ability to restrict knowledge (or "details") in order to save us. It hasn't worked in the past. All that it has done is *delay* things. But, a delay for al-Qaida isn't any big thing. They're patient. They wait. And they'll eventually get it done.

That is -- they'll get it done unless we eliminate the source of the problem -- and eliminate Islam before they carry out what they've decided.

Regards,
Star Traveler

[doorgunner69]

It is the trigger that acts as the bullet for the gun assembly.

Mmmm, I think you typed that a bit too fast. You guys are mixing up triggers, initiators, etc. I know what you mean though.

From FAS.ORG: "Even if the neutron initiator failed to work, the bomb would have exploded from spontaneous fission in a fraction of a second." So technically the "initiator-less" comment is correct, if you have a boat load of fissile material and you can keep things together long enough, but for any minimum critical mass design, an initiator is mandatory.

[Star Traveler]

You said -- "We on the other hand then take out all of Tehran, all of Damascus, all of North Yemen, all of the Bekaa Valley, and all of the Afghan / Pakistan border area. Iran won't exist without Tehran, Syria without Damascus, Hamas without the valley, and the taliban without the border."

We *can* (i.e., "have the ability") -- but -- we never will do that. There would be too many people in these United States that would condemn that -- including me. That sort of indiscriminate thing will never happen.


Also -- "Problem solved, and done will full and complete international and moral justification."

You've got to be kidding. If you think we'll get "international justification" for that -- you're way out on a limb there. And there would never be any moral justification for the killing of millions of innocents. That's not why the U.S. developed "smart bombs" -- so we could kill innocents. We've been working in the *other direction* to try and make things more precise and to avoid collateral damage. And you think we're going to abandon all that in one big swoop? Never happen...

Regards,
Star Traveler

[gafusa]

Possibly, resistance would be futile, as most the population would be in favor, your own countrymen would probably sell you out as a traitor to the regime, like people did in the fascist regimes of the 30s. The populace hates the government, but continues to reelect it, or not vote at all. The average American refuses to take things into their own hands, they want someone else to do it. In Pakistan, in a similar situation to ours, the military overthrew corrupt civilian government, and the people celebrated. Think that cannot happen here? It is the only logical conclusion to the general irreresposbility of America. I am certainly not advocating it, just pointing out what is likely to happen.

[alrea]

The more pressing threats than Al Qaeda for obtaining high tech weapons are the more advanced cultures (especially when led by rogue elements)...Iran certainly qualifying. North Korea turns out a fair number of geniuses, by the way...it is their culture that holds them back

true. the more barbaric need trash talk as their economies and civilizations progress backwards and some of their people survive on things like bark.

threats keep the mobs under control.

it goes both ways too. that threatened culture in israel keeps turning out the advanced weapons systems that enable them to listen to Mr. Ahmadinejad in his toilet or roast his vocal cords with a satellite.

[Phsstpok]

Does the 90 minutes really apply to New Orleans...come on we know better than that :)

Don't go there.  It definitely applies.  They are an important city and a treasured part of this country (that's 100% serious)

No, the true question is, would we notice?  The same applies to several other locations I can think of... 

[PISANO]

If al-Qaeda had the capability to use nukes in the US, they would have already used them.

Are you as SURE about this as I was about IRAQ having WMD? [Which was 100% by the way]

In any case pre 911 the thought of the TWIN TOWERS being brought down, the Pentagon being hit and the foiled attempts on the Capitol Bldg and WH, there is NOTHING I would not believe AQ being capable of doing.

It doesn't make sense but then again NEITHER did Saddam lying to his own Generals about having WMD.

IMHO we must take ANY threat with a much more believable attitude then we used to.

[sinkspur]

IMHO we must take ANY threat with a much more believable attitude then we used.

Oh, I will take the threat super-seriously when it is delivered by someone who is not peddling a book.