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To: spanalot

"Well the only thing that comes to mind is the comment that our nuclear advantage in 1945 was meaningless.

That is absurd - we had the advantage for 4 years until the Russians stole the secret."

Hmm, "We"? Don't you mean "You" because at the time it was "We" you and your ilk were in Ukraine supporting the communist regime.

Furthermore, here's the leader of the efforts to steal our atomic secrets. As a Ukrainian you must be proud:

"Pavel Sudoplatov (1907 - September, 1996) was a member of the intelligence services of the Soviet Union who rose to the rank of major general. He was involved in several famous incidents of the early Cold War, including the assassination of Leon Trotsky, and the Soviet espionage program which obtained information about the atomic bomb from the Manhattan Project.

He was born in Melitopol, in Ukraine, to a Russian mother and a Ukrainian father. After his father died, leaving the family in poverty, Sudoplatov joined the Red Army in 1919, at the age of twelve, fighting in the Russian Civil War. Through work in signals, he became associated with intelligence work, and was eventually promoted to the Secret Political Department of the Ukrainian OGPU in 1927."

See, it'd be much easier and historically and ethically factual if you could admit that it was SOVIET crimes committed during SOVIET communism. It's your choice - you can continue to attempt to repaint it as solely Russian involvement and the history books, archival documents, and facts (including testimony by the Ukrainians who were Soviets) will prove that Ukrainian communists willing and enthusiastically supported the Soviet regime and enjoyed the "fruits" of being in the Slavic brotherhood.


314 posted on 05/08/2006 11:28:33 AM PDT by Romanov
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To: Romanov

"Hmm, "We"? Don't you mean "You" because at the time it was "We" you and your ilk were in Ukraine "

I was born in the US and have never left.


316 posted on 05/08/2006 11:38:00 AM PDT by spanalot
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To: Romanov; x5452; Tailgunner Joe

I think you missed the point. It has been proven in recently released Russian archives that the Famine Genocide in Ukraine was engineered by the Kremlin.

Whether there are any Russians in the Kremlin seems to be a matter of debate, but we will leave that decision to the reader.

"Kaganovich wrote to Stalin that the disruption of the grain requisitions was caused by "agents of counter-revolutionary Ukrainian organizations... As a consequence, in the latter part of 1932 the policy of Ukrainization was rescinded, the Ukrainian Party elite was purged,.... These punitive acts led millions of deaths and left deep scars on the future development of the Ukrainian nation. "


321 posted on 05/08/2006 11:44:24 AM PDT by spanalot
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