The Horned Moses
Michaelangelo was lucky there was no Shimon Samuels from the Simon Wiesenthal Center at that time :-)))
Posted on 04/27/2006 11:21:15 AM PDT by lizol
NWO raises its ugly head again. "Human rights" to excuse a blatant intervention into another internal country's affairs which have nothing to do with human rights. Before 1989, it was the Soviets who dictated the vassal states' various policies. Today, it's just about any outfit in the West that has the word "Institute" or "Center" in its name. Brave New World Order.
The Judenhut (German for "Jewish hat"; Latin: pileus cornutus) was a yellow cone-shaped pointed hat that was required for adult male Jews to wear while outside a ghetto in Medieval Europe in order to distinguish them from others. The Fourth Council of the Lateran of 1215 ruled that Jews must bear this stigma. This decision was upheld by the Council of Vienne. Pope Paul IV determined in 1555 that it must be a yellow, peaked hat. A Judenhut could also be used as a stigma for usurers and magicians, not necessarily Jews. As an outcome of the Jewish Emancipation its use was discontinued. Another medieval stigma was the yellow badge, reintroduced later by the Nazis. Parts of this article are translated from de:Judenhut of 13 July 2005
The movie was great! After all the actions and thrillers Gibson's participated in, and the Hollywood pundits' perception of him as an Aussie outback ignoramus - such a profound work, and really full of passion.
As to the Rabbi Hier personality, he is first of all a Californian... a lot of fuss, much ado for nothing is part of the lifestyle there. Just take what they say with a pinch of salt.
Agreed! And my best to you, an outpost of sanity in a beautiful land overrun by political correctness. What made New Zealand great is its British heritage, not the Maoris, but you would never know that by the public monuments built in New Zealand in the last 20 years or so.
The text was from the PBS article linked to the picture in my post #40 and now also linked to the same text below:
The pointed hat was a stigma, not a chosen form of dress.
As stated above, this type of head wear was originally a freely chosen form of dress and a proud sign of Jewish identity and was also used in Jewish seals and symbols. It was not a stigma. The article goes on to explain that only in later centuries was it used to distinguish Jews from gentiles.
Woooow! I so now I know!
I've been attending for many years one of churches in my town. And one of the altars there, on both sides of it there are big sculptures of Old Testament prophets, including Moses with 10 ammendments.
And for many years - until now - I'd been wondering - why he has something like horns on his forehead.
I can't speak for this particular incident, but the image has everything to do with the devil, and is commonly used even today. That you can't comprehend how a Jew would be offended by a characterization of Jews as devils is unfortunate.
I don't know, they could be anything, they look like horns to me. I find the defence of the use of horns in this context far more interesting than two hats worn in what I presume was a large production. I realize you don't, but obviously a lot of folks consider the characterization of Jews with horns non-offensive.
It's a millenia old concept. I'm not going to bother posting examples, but in recent times you'll frequently find it in Nazi and Islamic propaganda, including demonstrations and writing occuring as we speak. As well as hate site propaganda from "Christian" groups, " " to differentiate them.
Yup, they're slick those Jews. They want to raise money in LOS ANGELES, they issue a press release out of their PARIS office, and make sure it's covered in the widely read Middle East Times published in EGYPT. Maybe the story has run elsewhere, but I can't find it.
Do you realize how ignorant these conspiracy theories make you appear?
I didn't say anything about "Jews." My criticism has been directed at the Simon Wiesenthal Center, a money-grubbing, guilt-mongering, leftist shakedown operation that is most likely ignored by 98% of American Jews. In your mind, is criticism of Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton the equivalent of criticizing blacks?
At times, you bet it is. But to make you feel better I’ll reword my comment, having been advised by the all knowing Simon Wiesenthal Center/Jewish Community expert, thorin.
BTW, it’s still an ignorant, conspiratorial comment.
Yup, they're slick those Simon Wiesenthal Center Nazi Hunters. They want to raise money in LOS ANGELES, they issue a press release out of their PARIS office, and make sure it's covered in the widely read Middle East Times published in EGYPT. Maybe the story has run elsewhere, but I can't find it.Do you realize how ignorant these conspiracy theories make you appear?
No. I remember eading it in several books on the middle ages. BASed on what I have read about Medieval thinking I believe it.
If I can find a link or locate a book I'll give it to you.
I find it offensive, I just want to make sure that is what it is.. particularly since to be honest I think the SWC, like the NAACP and others is primarily just a political "let's find offense in everything" group, although it once served a noble purpose.
By the thirteenth and fourteenth centuries, however, distinctive Jewish dress became less common. In the thirteenth century, the church, under Pope Innocent III, responded. "We decree that Jews of both sexes in every Christian province at all times shall be distinguished in the eyes of the public from other peoples by the character of their dress" (Fourth Lateran Council, 1215).
Again, as I stated in my post #85, this form of dress wasn't mandated until centuries later. This type of head wear was originally freely chosen and a proud sign of Jewish identity. It was not originally a stigma and only mandated as a means of identification later in history after it had already been established voluntarily. You are misstating the chronology.
I see you live in New Zealand - probably a very civilized place.
If you had relatives who lived in eastern Europe, like grandparents or great-parents - which really isn't all that long ago - they would have remembered pogroms and attacks on Jews by infuriated ignorant "Christians".
A Jewish man I knew told me the last memory his mother had of Russia was a Cossack whipping her in the face when she was a little girl.
I am a Christian, and I found that picture of long-beared Jews wearing horned hats with Stars of David on them to be repellent, disgusting and inaccurate. They are not representing real people of the time. These are vicious anti-Semitic charactures. Given Poland's past record on anti-Semitism, more sensitivity should be shown to Jewish feelings.
I have seen many Passion Plays in the U.S. and in no instance have been Jews so pictured. The emphasis was always on Christ, His mother, what He suffered, the women of Jerusalem, etc. Caiaphas and his associates have a very small part - if any in Catholic Stations of the Cross and Passion plays in the U.S. Check out a Catholic Church in New Zealand with the "Stations of the Cross" I doubt if you will even see the Sanhedrin pictured. I believe the first Station of the Cross is "Christ before Pilate".
Christ was a Jew. His mother was Jewish as were His desciples. Christians believe He fulfilled prohecies in the Jewish Old Testament. We claim our God the Father is the same God as the God of the Exodus and of Isaac and Jacob. The first Christians were a Jewish sect. You originally had to become a Jew before you could become a Christian.
How can some of us possible call ourselves Christians when we hate Christ's people?
I have been in many different Christian Churches and in Synagogues also. God is in all of them.
I'm saying that the "horned" headdress probably originated with the artistic convention that arose from the mistranslation from Exodus . . . NOT from a desire to portray Jews as devils. In other words, it had an innocent origin, no matter how offensive it may seem in retrospect.
Consider also that this type of headdress was pretty well known in medieval and Renaissance fashion - again having not a thing to do with devils.
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