Myth vs. Fact: (You cannot deport 12 million people) Oh Yes You Can!

The New American ^ | May 1, 2006 | Thomas R. Eddlem

[Luis Gonzalez]

Next point to debunk...the myth that Americans would really take the jobs if immigrants weren't depressing the wages.

When we had to stop importaing blacks to do those jobs, we imported the Chinese, now it's the Mexicans.

Americans have NEVER done those jobs.

[nina0113]

That kid is gonna have quite a monthly check when he or she retires!

Don't they usually use dead people's IDs?

[nosofar]

Nearly 88 percent of the people living in the United States today are not immigrants; they were born here.

This is a ridiculous response to the phrase 'a nation of immigrants'. That's not what this refers to and the author damn well knows it. What percentage of the population were immigrants in 1776? How many are second or third generation now? We don't have long bloodlines going back generations as they do in many other places. Take a poll ans ask people where their ancestors came from. Few would say America. Most would give the names of other nations.

[Condor51]

*****Using data from the Census Bureau's current population survey, Steven Camarota, director of research at the Center for Immigration Studies, an advocacy group in Washington that favors more limits on immigration, estimated that 3.8 million households headed by illegal immigrants generated $6.4 billion in Social Security taxes in 2002." -- Source

That JUST Social Security taxes mind you, they also pay sales taxes.****

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I have no idea of where you're going with your argument but it sure DOESN'T help the illegals.

1. That $6.4 Billion equates to a stinking $1,684.21 per year which equates a GROSS income of a 'whopping' (sarcasm intended) $27,165.00 per year, or $522.40 a week for 52 weeks.
   
2. Your 'source' was the NY Times which isn't credible on any matter.
   
3. Sales taxes. SO WHAT?!? With a GROSS Income of $27K there isn't a lot of money left to be buying anything. Ergo the 'They Pay Sales Tax' pitch doesn't fly as paying sales taxes on nothing = nothing.

Again, I don't know what your point was, but it reads like DEPORT these LEECHES on society yesterday.

And if that's it - I concur.

[Luis Gonzalez]

"Your 'source' was the NY Times which isn't credible on any matter."

My "source" was the same as the New York Time's and the Center for Immigration studies...my "source" was the numbner posted by the Social Security Administration.

I also provided a link to the CIS's website confirming my numbers.

You should read.

[Serenissima Venezia]

Nearly 88 percent of the people living in the United States today are not immigrants; they were born here.

This is a ridiculous response to the phrase 'a nation of immigrants'.

No, it is an accurate response. If the favorite pet phrase du jour of the left was "We are a nation of decendants of immigrants", then it would be correct. However, they are inaccurate and it's not up to us to guess what they mean.

How about an even more accurate pet phrase du jour: "We are a nation of descendants of legal immigrants."

[kabar]

The only thing that's intractable about it is that it would take just a wee bit of political courage.

Agreed. The first thing to do is secure our southern border. We have not allocated anywhere near the resources necessary in terms of money or personnel. The President and others are always talking about doubling this or that, but the sad fact is that the base numbers are so low that any increase can be deemed sizeable.

"Officially approved by Bush on Dec. 17 after extensive bickering in Congress, the National Intelligence Reform Act included the requirement to add 10,000 border patrol agents in the five years beginning with 2006. Roughly 80 percent of the agents were to patrol the southern U.S. border from Texas to California, along which thousands of people cross into the United States illegally every year."

But Bush's proposed 2006 budget, revealed Monday, funds only 210 new border agents. Retired Adm. James Loy, acting head of the Department of Homeland Security until nominee Michael Chertoff takes over, said funding only 210 new agents was a "recognition that we need to balance those things as we go on down the road with other priorities."

The law signed by Bush had a caveat that went virtually unreported at the time. A summary, published by the Senate Government Affairs Committee, required the government to increase the number of border patrol agents by at least 2,000 per year, "subject to available appropriations."

There are only 11,000 border patrol agents to cover both borders. NYC has 35,000 police officers. Any increase in costs would be more than offset by elminating the costs associated with illegal aliens, including the crimes they commit.

[KevinDavis]

I agree... For god knows how long we have let this problem festered and to blame Bush is wrong.. Yes he does deserve some critism, but the real problem lies in Congress who has done nothing for god knows how long..

[kabar]

When we had to stop importaing blacks to do those jobs, we imported the Chinese, now it's the Mexicans. Americans have NEVER done those jobs.

You don't know your American history. Please tell us what jobs you are talking about. If this country had to depend upon blacks, Chinese, and Mexicans to perform the jobs necessary to build this country, we wouldn't have crossed the Mississippi yet.

And who did most of the dying to create and defend this country and its way of life?

[Luis Gonzalez]

Illegal aliens earn less than legal employees...does that surprise you?

Judging from the "tone" of your post, you'd be surprised to find out what the median wages are for Americans today.

[Raycpa]

Every elected federal office but one can be held by people not born here.

[steve-b]

LOL! Criminality must be some new form of "social conservatism"....

[b2stealth]

Interesting that there is NOT ONE other country that has borders like ours, not even Mexico.. And good luck trying to cross in to Russia or China..

We can rebuild New Orleans each year but we can't build a wall?

[NJ_gent]

"That JUST Social Security taxes mind you, they also pay sales taxes."

I've paid into Social Security and paid sales tax since I was 15. When do I get to break the law with impunity?

Or are you saying that illegal aliens have more righs than American citizens?

[kabar]

The present level of immigration is significantly higher than the average historical level of immigration. This flow may be attributed, in part, to the extraordinary broadening of U.S. immigration policy in 1965. Since 1970, more than 30 million legal and illegal immigrants have settled in the U.S., representing more than one-third of all people ever to come to America's shores.

The foreign-born population of the United States is currently 33.1 million, equal to 11.5 percent of the U.S. population. Of this total, the Census Bureau estimates 8-9 million are illegal immigrants. Other estimates indicate a considerably higher number of illegal immigrants.

The Bear-Stearns report, The Underground Labor Force Is Rising To The Surface, estimates that there may be as many as 20 million illegal immigrants. It is worth noting that the quasi-amnesty of 1986 resulted in three times more people applying than the USG estimated.

[SerpentDove]

>>No doubt like your former poster hero on FR, you like him would probably like to see me "hanging from a tree" or in a gas chamber because of my political speech.<<

Too bad I already gave away today's Free Republic Award for Best Dramatic Performance.

Yours is a real loo-loo.

[SerpentDove]

>>When we had to stop importaing blacks to do those jobs, we imported the Chinese, now it's the Mexicans.

Americans have NEVER done those jobs.<<

That sounds a wee bit racist. Which jobs have Americans never done, specifically?

[nicmarlo]

I know : (

[Luis Gonzalez]

Reciting history is being racist?

Are you saying that we did NOT import labor from Africa and China?