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Rocky Mountain News ^ | April 25, 2006 | Paul Campos

Posted on 04/25/2006 7:33:08 AM PDT by cryptical

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To: Paloma_55
"There are probably a few medicinal purposes for marijuana, but the vast majority of pro-marijuana arguments are promoted by people who just want to get high"

And the problem is....what, exactly? Alcohol gets you high. Coffee gets you...err twitchy. What's so bad about high?

21 posted on 04/25/2006 8:38:31 AM PDT by jjm2111 (http://www.purveryors-of-truth.blogspot.com)
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To: Paloma_55

Somehow the idea of attributing a "fundamental purpose" to native flora seems a little odd, like claiming to know what God was thinking when he put it here.


22 posted on 04/25/2006 8:40:38 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: cryptical
. It has, as far as anybody knows, killed no one.

Unless you don't count the thousands murdered, killed by stoned drivers, attacked and robbed by addicts trying to get money for another joint...etc. Another idiots argument..

23 posted on 04/25/2006 8:41:23 AM PDT by Don Corleone (Leave the gun..take the cannoli)
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To: Paloma_55
Sure. We need more rather than less of all that.

Can you make a case that it is a legitimate function of the federal government to insure that we all have only that which we really need?

24 posted on 04/25/2006 8:45:36 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Paloma_55

You're right about valid theraputic values of cannabis and the fact that people like to use it for relaxation.

Tell me again why we drink alcohol?


25 posted on 04/25/2006 8:55:27 AM PDT by bigfootbob
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To: Paloma_55

Perhaps if our justice system were not so noodle-spined when it comes to personal responsibility, there would be less "of that". I believe that those who get drunk and kill someone, whether in a car or one-on-one, should be given the death penalty. "But it wasn't their fault!!!" doesn't work for me, you made a choice, live(die) with it.


26 posted on 04/25/2006 9:18:09 AM PDT by SteelCurtain_SSN720 (If you pass the rabid child, say "hammer down" for me)
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To: Paloma_55
No one to my knowledge has advocated getting stoned before you drive.

What should we do with mothers who weigh 350lbs and sit on the couch all day watching soaps and eating chips? She needs to cleaning the dishes and picking up toys so those kids are protected.

What should we do with a father who shuns all responsibility to spend his hours in a casino.

We obviously can not (or at least should not) make people behave in a perfectly beneficial way. Freedom gives us these choices. The person decides to act irresponsibly, regardless of any vice that may be involved.

27 posted on 04/25/2006 9:24:08 AM PDT by bird4four4 (Behead those who suggest Islam is violent!)
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To: Paloma_55

"Marijuana has one fundamental purpose, to get you high. "

Its seed was a main stay of Europe for centuries.
It yields a better paper and fabric than wood pulp or cotton.
Purpose? It has all kinds of purpose to exist.
What purpose is there in its eradication?

This plant has a seed which possesses the most complete
and absorbable combination of amino acids of any plant on
the face of Earth. Its purpose would seem self evident; food.

GOD MADE HERB
GOD SAW THAT IT WAS GOOD
GOD GAVE IT TO MAN

Genesis 1:11
Then God said, "Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb that yields seed, and the fruit tree that yields fruit according to its kind, whose seed is in itself, on the earth"; and it was so.

Genesis 1:12
And the earth brought forth grass, the herb that yields seed according to its kind, and the tree that yields fruit, whose seed is in itself according to its kind. And God saw that it was good.

Genesis 1:29
And God said, "See, I have given you every herb that yields seed which is on the face of all the earth, and every tree whose fruit yields seed; to you it shall be for food.

Some seem to believe that an herb given by God to man and beast alike at the beginning of time and which has grown freely almost everywhere, including here long before our nation was formed, is permissibly eradicable or controllable by the federal government through powers granted by the interstate commerce clause of the Constitution. It is an impossible task to devise a logical explanation of how the commerce clause can prohibit the personal growth and consumption of an herb gifted by God. In light of the rest of the Constitution any such perceived mandate dissolves and exposes the government as deluded by its grandeur.

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their
Creator with inherent and inalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of
happiness."

Preamble: ...secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity...

Amendment V: nor shall (anyone) be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

Amendment IX: The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the PEOPLE.

Amendment X: The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the PEOPLE.



Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof


Nowhere in the Constitution is it enumerated what one may put into ones body. Therefore, that right is reserved for the states or the people. However,
since God has already specified in the Bible what one may consume, it is, in fact, the People’s God given right.


28 posted on 04/25/2006 12:03:17 PM PDT by PaxMacian (Gen 1:29)
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To: cryptical
it's all about the benjamins.

To that I agree, and will bring this point to bare.

FDA approves drugs that you can only gain from a producer known as a pharmacutical company. That translates to instilled revenues for the companies and thus tax revenues for the government.

When it comes to MJ this is not an option. People can simply grow their own supply and there are no benjamins involved at all. You do notlose your house and everything you own for having vicodin without a script....imagine that.

It isn't about deterrence for the use of MJ it is about partaking in something that harms noone else and having access to something that is beyond the reacj of taxation and regulation.

P.S. To the poster on this thread that is talking about robbing to get another joint....you really show your level of understanding and experience with this issue. Pot doesn't make you steal or rob or harm others. That would be crack cocaine, meth and heroine not to mention vicodin oxycontin and morphine. You demonstrated how the ASA Hutchinson indoctrination propaganda campaign has worked. SHOW you MJ and talk about the effects of cocaine heroine and meth making you think they are all the same thing when indeed they are quite different.
29 posted on 04/25/2006 12:15:29 PM PDT by BlueStateDepression
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To: SteelCurtain_SSN720
I believe that those who get drunk and kill someone, whether in a car or one-on-one, should be given the death penalty.

Should EVERYONE who drinks be punished because SOME drinkers drive?

30 posted on 04/25/2006 4:51:49 PM PDT by Know your rights (The modern enlightened liberal doesn't care what you believe as long as you don't really believe it.)
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To: Don Corleone
the thousands murdered, killed by stoned drivers,

The same can be said of the drug alcohol ... should that drug also be banned?

attacked and robbed by addicts trying to get money for another joint

This is an argument for legalization, since it's criminalization that drives up the price of drugs.

31 posted on 04/25/2006 4:55:10 PM PDT by Know your rights (The modern enlightened liberal doesn't care what you believe as long as you don't really believe it.)
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To: Know your rights

No. My point is that I don't give a damn if people drink or smoke pot, or crack, or any other means that they use to escape reality. My problem is that when crimes are comitted when people are high(whatever means they use) our system makes excuses for their behavior, and don't drop the @&#*$! hammer on their a$$.


32 posted on 04/26/2006 5:06:37 AM PDT by SteelCurtain_SSN720 (If you pass the rabid child, say "hammer down" for me)
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To: cryptical
"doctors are free to treat their patients with cocaine, methamphetamine and morphine. All these drugs are far more dangerous than marijuana"

Yes they are and so what? Marijuana is not a Schedule I drug because it's dangerous!

33 posted on 04/26/2006 1:35:21 PM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: cryptical
"They're terribly afraid of such research, because any serious scientific study of the subject is going to reveal how little basis there is for their claims."

If marijuana was accepted for medical use, how would that affect the WOD in any manner?

(It wouldn't.)

34 posted on 04/26/2006 1:39:13 PM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: Know your rights
Come on now. Don't we know by now women cry for it, men die for it! I mean, with just a little toke, average teenagers become addicts turning into psycho killers and brazen hussies. We got to put a end to all this reefer madness.
35 posted on 04/26/2006 2:00:27 PM PDT by pepperhead (Kennedy's float, Mary Jo's don't!)
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To: SteelCurtain_SSN720
My problem is that when crimes are comitted when people are high(whatever means they use) our system makes excuses for their behavior, and don't drop the @&#*$! hammer on their a$$.

I agree that drunkenness or highness should not be a mitigating factor (unless the defendant was involuntarily drugged).

36 posted on 04/26/2006 4:51:16 PM PDT by Know your rights (The modern enlightened liberal doesn't care what you believe as long as you don't really believe it.)
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To: robertpaulsen
Marijuana is not a Schedule I drug because it's dangerous!

Which Schedule I does it satisfy better than cocaine, methamphetamine and morphine? I can't find any.

37 posted on 04/26/2006 4:53:04 PM PDT by Know your rights (The modern enlightened liberal doesn't care what you believe as long as you don't really believe it.)
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To: robertpaulsen

Why do so many of "these" stories come out of the Rocky Mountain News?


38 posted on 04/26/2006 4:54:44 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: robertpaulsen
Typo: that should have been, "Which Schedule I criteria does it satisfy better than cocaine, methamphetamine and morphine? I can't find any."
39 posted on 04/27/2006 10:15:31 AM PDT by Know your rights (The modern enlightened liberal doesn't care what you believe as long as you don't really believe it.)
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To: Know your rights
"Which Schedule I does it satisfy better than cocaine, methamphetamine and morphine? I can't find any."

No accepted medical use in the U.S.

40 posted on 04/27/2006 11:12:54 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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