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Scientists Again Debating How Snakes Came to Slither
New York Times ^ | 25 April 2006 | CARL ZIMMER

Posted on 04/25/2006 3:47:53 AM PDT by PatrickHenry

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To: Ditter

Oddly, I used to live in North Carolina, for five years...we lived right across the road, from a pond, where water moccasins were known to live....I am surprised, I never died of fright living there...I guess I just did not think about them, out of sight, out of mind, so to speak...


61 posted on 04/25/2006 9:37:48 AM PDT by andysandmikesmom
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To: CarolinaGuitarman

Oh, thanks...that pic makes me cringe...There is indeed grandeur in this view of life, but snakes are way down that list of grand things, at least for me...


62 posted on 04/25/2006 9:39:34 AM PDT by andysandmikesmom
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To: PatrickHenry

"Burrowing Snakes: Only a few can truly dig out burrows, adaptations include: blunt noses protected by large tough scales or spade-shaped heads to dig with; a powerful tail, spined or armoured to push against in tight spaces; heads not differentiated from the body and fused head and scales to minimise friction. They scoop soil out with loops of their body. True burrowing snakes are found where the ground is warm. Most snakes can dig through loose soil to make a hidey hole or dig out prey. They do this by the concertina method to pile-drive into the soil. Snakes also happily use holes and burrows already dug out by other creatures or even share them with a current tenant: the Burmese Rock Python may share the burrow of a porcupine."

http://www.szgdocent.org/resource/rr/c-where.htm


63 posted on 04/25/2006 9:48:24 AM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: 9999lakes

Windshield wipers make all the difference.


64 posted on 04/25/2006 9:51:47 AM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: WKB
Have you noticed how evolutionists are coming out with a flurry of "missing link" "finds"?

They see people aren't buying into evolution. When they scrutinize it they see it doesn't add up and it never will. I find it amusing how gullible people are. How easily impressed they are. How ignorant they are to take any of their hypothesis seriously.
65 posted on 04/25/2006 10:13:29 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God) !)
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To: Vaquero
I am Arthur, King of the Britons.

"How do you know he's the king?"

"Cause he hasn't got shit all over him"
66 posted on 04/25/2006 10:17:26 AM PDT by jrg
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To: ZULU
In the very same book of Genesis, I believe, it states that Satan took the form of a serpent.

Actually, though that is assumed by most people, Satan isn't explicitly mentioned in the Bible until the end of 1 Chronicles. Aside from the book of Job, explicit Old Testament references to Satan are quite few and far between (Zechariah is the only other place I know of in it to contain a direct reference, at least in the translation I'm most familiar with).

67 posted on 04/25/2006 10:18:52 AM PDT by Quark2005 (Confidence follows from consilience.)
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To: WKB
you will eat dust all the days of your life

Wouldn't a turtle be the one more likely to "Eat Dust"? I mean, over a flat dusty terrain, the snake is going to outrun him, kicking up the dust, that......ergo.....the turtle must eat!
68 posted on 04/25/2006 10:19:53 AM PDT by jrg
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To: nmh
Have you noticed how evolutionists are coming out with a flurry of "missing link" "finds"?

They see people aren't buying into evolution. When they scrutinize it they see it doesn't add up and it never will. I find it amusing how gullible people are. How easily impressed they are. How ignorant they are to take any of their hypothesis seriously.

Evolutionist: Evolution says that today's species descended from earlier life forms in the past.

Creationist: Evolution is false because there are no transitional fossils! Go find some and then I'll believe you.

-- Later --

Evolutionist: Okay, I've found some transitional fossils, just like you asked for.

Creationist: The fact that you went and looked for transitional fossils proves that you know no one believes you! Therefore, even though you found exactly what you predicted you would find exactly where you predicted it would be, and even though I asked you to find it, this just proves that evolution is more false than ever!

Amazing.

69 posted on 04/25/2006 10:43:59 AM PDT by Antonello (Oh my God, don't shoot the banana!)
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To: Ditter

I don't like snakes, but mice and rats (and other furry flea ridden rodents) are snakes main prey. A decrease in snake population means an increase in rodents. You can't win.


70 posted on 04/25/2006 11:14:13 AM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch ist der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: Old Professer

Vindshield Vipers can be dangerous though.


71 posted on 04/25/2006 11:17:55 AM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch ist der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: Doctor Stochastic

"A decrease in snake population means an increase in rodents. You can't win."

The same logic about the insect population doesn't make me feel any better when a find a spider in my house either.


72 posted on 04/25/2006 11:30:33 AM PDT by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is grandeur in this view of life....")
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To: dwighteise; 9999lakes
...one will find almost limitless variety among the fossils and living creatures....

The theory of evolution, on the other hand, severely limits the amount of variety.

Remember the "tree of life"?

The ToE predicts that there will never be a fossil (or living) pegasus, chimera, sphinx, etc, because these combine features in ways inconsistent with the tree.

More generally, it predicts that there will never be a fossil transitional between an amphibian and a mammal or bird (ie skipping the reptile stage of evolution), or a transitional between a mammal and a bird (going against the tree)

It does however, say that certain sorts of things must have lived, and predicts that fossils of them will eventually be found. It even says where to look.

Transitional forms between land dwellers and whales, people and (other) apes, and now the Tiktaalik transitional between fish and amphibians have all been found, as per the ToE.

So, to the extent that the vague claim of "almost limitless variety" can be taken as a "prediction" of creationism, creationism is falsified, once again, by the evidence. Far from being almost limitless, the variety of living things is observed to be very tightly constrained.

73 posted on 04/25/2006 11:51:12 AM PDT by Virginia-American
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To: Doctor Stochastic

I read yesterday that Sweden has accepted the letter W in their dictionaries although it will still be pronounced as "vee."


74 posted on 04/25/2006 12:28:56 PM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: Old Professer

Swedish has had the "w" for many years. It alphabetizes as a "v" though. So words beginning with "wa" come after those beginning with "vi" (Like Washington and Virginia?).

One of the Nordic languages has "aa" after "z" because it's really an "å."

Language alphabetization causes a bit of trouble for computer type setting too. There is also problems even for the natives. I have two Spanish dictionaries; one treats "ch" as a "c+h" for alphabetization an the other treates is as a single letter. (The same for the "ll.")


75 posted on 04/25/2006 12:44:40 PM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch ist der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: jrg
Wouldn't a turtle be the one more likely to "Eat Dust"? I mean, over a flat dusty terrain, the snake is going to outrun him, kicking up the dust, that......ergo.....the turtle must eat!




ALL these years I thought the turtle ate the rabbit's
dust NOW you tell me it was a snake.
Or did the rabbit evolved into a snake while
I wasn't looking? Oh Lordy I'm so confused.
I need a nap now.
76 posted on 04/25/2006 12:49:56 PM PDT by WKB (Science Fiction= Any science that omits God.)
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To: nmh

Rom. 1:22 Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools


77 posted on 04/25/2006 12:51:48 PM PDT by WKB (Science Fiction= Any science that omits God.)
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To: CarolinaGuitarman
"A decrease in snake population means an increase in rodents. You can't win."

The same logic about the insect population doesn't make me feel any better when a find a spider in my house either.

It's funny, but I learned this when I was young, and that made me appreciate spiders, 'cuz all the other bugs were at least as gross as them. So ever since then I don't mind spiders at all. (We get lots of small spiders inside our house, and larger ones outside that build webs, some of which run from the trees to the ground.)

Something similar with bees: I was taught that bees made honey & pollinated flowering plants, and that they don't sting unless you really try to annoy them. And so I've never feared bees. (Plus bees & many spiders are furry. How can you NOT like a furry insect?)

I think spiders & bees are Republicans.

78 posted on 04/25/2006 1:21:23 PM PDT by jennyp (WHAT I'M READING NOW: "The Great Influenza" by Barry)
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To: WKB
You will crawl on your belly and you will eat dust all the days of your life.

Maybe he was just talking the one snake and not all snakes in general.

OK, now I'm confused. This thread is about how snakes lost their legs, and you chime in with the magic Bible verse about the serpent in the Garden. Why do you think that verse is significant? Do you really believe that all snakes lost their legs because God amputated the arms & legs off of one particular serpent?

Do you also believe that women have one fewer rib than men?

79 posted on 04/25/2006 1:25:03 PM PDT by jennyp (WHAT I'M READING NOW: "The Great Influenza" by Barry)
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To: jennyp

See #38


80 posted on 04/25/2006 1:42:37 PM PDT by WKB (Science Fiction= Any science that omits God.)
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