Posted on 04/24/2006 7:13:42 PM PDT by Revel
I found this thought on another board. It is a good point:
"You know, if 20 million taxpayers suddenly decided to break the law and not file or pay taxes, and demand tax amnesty - I don't think Bush would say anything like "it's not realistic" in dealing with them.
I am sure it would be the exact opposite."
They don't claim that they can't fix it. It is just that kicking all of the illegals out is not logically part of the solution. Emotionally it would be the most satisfying thing, but it just isn't practical nor cost effective.
If the problem solvers from a major corporation were dealing with this problem, they wouldn't be worried about whether legalizing the illegals was just or not. They would be concerned about it being an effective part of the fix or not.
If you want to fix the problem the steps are clear cut.
1. Establish a date after which being in the country illegally is a felony with a mandatory minimum sentence. It is the only way to stop the flow of new blood.
2. Commit the resources to close the border.
3. Require all illegals to register by a certain date at which time they must submit to a current photo, finger prints and a DNA sample.
4. Establish criteria for annual renewal of legal residence including progressive English proficiency exams, proof of employment, payment of taxes, , etc. Fail the criteria or fail to report for testing and you leave or become a felon.
5.After 5 years of legal residence, commit to a progressive criteria for the path to citizenship or be required to leave after the 6th year.
6. Build new prisons in remote areas of Montana, Utah, Wyoming, and North Dakota sufficient to house immigrant felons. Keep them their until they serve their sentence and then deport them.
Within 4 years, the problem is solved. The question of fair, just right or wrong doesn't enter into it. The problem gets solved and that's the real point.
Why would you think that the media is going to play him any worse than they do already? Look what they did with Katrina. Another thing, we did not vote for the Media as our Representatives, so why are the Republicans letting them call the shots? Do we now live in an Mediarchy instead of a Republic? It is way past time for some in the Media to be tried for treason anyway. That may be the real crux of the problem and the way to start cleaning things up. Legislation that requires penalties for publishing outright lies.
America is slipping away, its culture is vanishing and The GOP is not stepping up to the plate to save it. They know what needs to be done and they will be rewarded with votes for doing it. They will pay at the polls if they don't. I will note vote for any Senator that votes for a half baked bill. America has already said that it would cheer deportation. Look at any poll. It could be done discreetly by targeting employers first. That would help by depriving the media of shots of millions of illegals in detention centers. Oh, and by the way, why are we building those if not for this?
I think this is the government's way to get more people paying into SS for our older coming people.
Two problems regarding Mexicans for the most part.
#1 With home next door, they do not IMO have much loyalty to us.
#2 They don't want to pay taxes. Rather work underground and send the money home.
Here in CA I think the average illegal makes at least $60 tax free.
So that is like making $10 an hour if it was taxed.
Plus the laws force us to educate each of their kids at $14,000 per each illegal child a year because of their special needs.
I don't mind the worker coming here legally and then going home, but they really need to give their families who don't work the special kick in their butt out of town.
Let that little place of heaven on earth "MEXICO" take care of their social needs.
We can not support the world.
This mess was fifty years in the making and it is not going to be fixed overnight.
BS!!! What other laws should be ignored? Why should Americans obey the laws, if illegal lawbreakers are getting off??
If you have never exceeded the speed limit, did a rolling stop at a stop sign, went through a traffic light when you know you should have stopped, then get back on your soap box and continue pontificating.
The point is to solve the problem. Amnesty was granted to draft dodgers who fled to Canada to avoid the draft in the 60's. There were many emotional outbreaks against it. I personally did not approve of it. It solved the problem though and was soon forgotten.
Amnesty has been granted to tax evaders, holders of unpaid tickets, by libraries for books overdue and video stores to get movies back. It is a tool to be used wisely to help solve problems. By itself it generally does not solve a problem, only delays or masks the effects as Reagan demonstrated with amnesty in the 80's. If used as an element of an overall plan to solve a problem, it can be quite effective.
One simple fact that pontificators seem to ignore is that it will cost at least 10x (more likely closer to 30x) as much money to round up and deport illegals than to register and legalize them. That's yours and my money, over and above what illegal immigration has already cost us.
I don't believe that for a second.
Have you got some hard numbers to back that up?
The laws and systems are already in place for rounding up and deporting, I'm not sure if the amnesty thing wouldn't result in yet another layer of bureaucracy in our already bloated gov't.
And if they are legalized, do you really think that they are suddenly going to get off welfare and stop using emergency rooms for cold symptoms? I don't.
Not surprising. You did stop to realize of course that you can't legally deport anyone without a court hearing? Let's see manpower, transportation, housing, legal counsel, court administration, court facilities, ACLU lawsuits, not to mention a thousand other logistical details necessary to run a nationwide sweep of people who have every motivation to avoid capture and detention.
For hard fact comparison, go to your local city and county records and compare the cost of someone coming in to pay a speeding ticket vs. someone who has a jury trial for the same offense, 10X or more.
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