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The Imperial Presidency and the War on Terror
The Cato Institute ^ | April 1, 2006 | Gene Healy

Posted on 04/24/2006 5:25:03 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks

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1 posted on 04/24/2006 5:25:14 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks
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To: abner; Abundy; AGreatPer; alisasny; ALlRightAllTheTime; AlwaysFree; AnnaSASsyFR; Angelwood; ...

PING!


2 posted on 04/24/2006 5:26:00 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Walk it off, Snack Fairy!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Whoa!

When the CATO institute starts criticizing President Bush, you KNOW that the sh@t's hit the fan.

Of course, the Bushbot's will immediate claim that the CATO institute is some Commie-Pinko, Liberal, Muzzie-loving, Queer San Franciscan pot commune.

Wait for it...

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3 posted on 04/24/2006 5:32:47 PM PDT by gogogodzilla (Raaargh! Raaargh! Crush, Stomp!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Poor misunderstood Padilla....They should have hauled him before Congress and tried him for Treason. At least it would have put the Rats on notice.


4 posted on 04/24/2006 5:34:25 PM PDT by Wristpin ("The Yankees announce plan to buy every player in Baseball....")
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

What a load of claptrap


5 posted on 04/24/2006 5:34:30 PM PDT by mylife (The roar of the masses could be farts)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Better life through chemistry.


6 posted on 04/24/2006 5:35:57 PM PDT by Mark (If we had a 3 word message, it would be "We can do better"-- Howard Dean)
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To: gogogodzilla
I believe the real concern should be if someone like Hillary becomes President and use/abuse this power against political enemies. After all, the Clinton's do have a History of doing such things.


7 posted on 04/24/2006 5:37:10 PM PDT by darkwing104 (Let's get dangerous)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Cato's libertarian - they criticize everyone.


8 posted on 04/24/2006 5:43:12 PM PDT by gotribe (It's not a religion.)
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To: gogogodzilla

Cato is a libertarian think tank that frowns upon an aggressive foreign policy, and thus it should not be all that surprising that Bush ruffles its feathers.


9 posted on 04/24/2006 5:43:14 PM PDT by Cyclopean Squid (History is a work in progress)
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To: gotribe

The Catoites are under the impression that market forces work against totalitarianism militarily as well as economically - a dubious proposition at best.


10 posted on 04/24/2006 5:46:52 PM PDT by decal (My name is "decal" and I approve this tagline)
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To: gotribe

I like that... I like that so much I might use it as a tagline.


11 posted on 04/24/2006 5:58:58 PM PDT by gogogodzilla (I criticize everyone. (then I breath radioactive fire and stomp on things))
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

The US was a warzone on 9/11, I believe it still is, as there are people here still plotting further attacks. That said, I am concerned about the Padilla case. I agree with the author that I see no evidence of despotic behavior in President Bush. I wish he hadn't signed that McCain "anti-torture" thing. It also rules out "degrading" treatment, which seems overly broad. Part of the problem with this article is the fact that what is going on now has never really happened before (the type of war). It seems to me a mixture of a foreign invasion & a "civil war" (citizens attacking from within). It would make sense to view what the President is doing as seeking as much leeway as possible, in order to fight the war, knowing he would be restrained. I am obviously not an attorney, but it is clear to me none of this is as cut & dry as CATO says.


12 posted on 04/24/2006 6:02:14 PM PDT by PghBaldy
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
The article contains a number of lies.
Where is it administration policy to TORTURE people?

As for Mr. Padilla, he was caught in the middle of a crime. As you know, Habeaus Corpus and other provisions are suspended during time of war.

Congress should declare war. Why won't they?
13 posted on 04/24/2006 6:30:16 PM PDT by rmlew (Sedition and Treason are both crimes, not free speech.)
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I wish he hadn't signed that McCain "anti-torture" thing.

He HAD to sign it. McInsane stuck is assinine bill into an important piece of legislation that included funding for the WOT and our Troops. However, the President took care of the problem with a signing statement. LOL!

Today, I have signed into law H.R. 2863, the "Department of Defense, Emergency Supplemental Appropriations to Address Hurricanes in the Gulf of Mexico, and Pandemic Influenza Act, 2006."

The Act provides resources needed to fight the war on terror, help citizens of the Gulf States recover from devastating hurricanes, and protect Americans from a potential influenza pandemic.

Relevant text from President Bush's signing statement for H.R.2863:
The executive branch shall construe Title X in Division A of the Act, relating to detainees, in a manner consistent with the constitutional authority of the President to supervise the unitary executive branch and as Commander in Chief and consistent with the constitutional limitations on the judicial power, which will assist in achieving the shared objective of the Congress and the President, evidenced in Title X, of protecting the American people from further terrorist attacks. Further, in light of the principles enunciated by the Supreme Court of the United States in 2001 in Alexander v. Sandoval, and noting that the text and structure of Title X do not create a private right of action to enforce Title X, the executive branch shall construe Title X not to create a private right of action.

14 posted on 04/24/2006 6:30:49 PM PDT by Just A Nobody (NEVER AGAIN..Support our Troops! I *LOVE* my attitude problem. Beware the Enemedia!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

This sounds like something that would be linked from the Daily Kos.


15 posted on 04/24/2006 6:37:40 PM PDT by Tarantulas ( Illegal immigration - the trojan horse that's treated like a sacred cow)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

It is extraordinary that President Bush has shown such restraint in the exercise of presidential power.

CLUE to CATO: On September 11, nearly 3,000 non-combatant citizens were attacked by radical terrorists. Pearl Harbor does not compare with the scale and audacity of this attack.

In response to Pearl Harbor, FDR interned thousands of people with far less evidence than we have on Padilla or any Gitmo detainees. Korematsu is still on the books.

Democracy is not a suicide pact.

Is it too much to ask for just one empirical case of Presidential abuse of power before these grand over statements are made.

I am not even broaching Lincoln's exercises of Presidential power.

We really have entered a fantasy land of politics and war time. These minimalist notions of presidential power -- with little or no commentary on the outrageous expansions of congressional encroachment-- are ridiculous.


16 posted on 04/24/2006 7:15:20 PM PDT by lonestar67
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We really have entered a fantasy land of politics and war time. These minimalist notions of presidential power -- with little or no commentary on the outrageous expansions of congressional encroachment-- are ridiculous.

Bravo!
Best couple of sentences I have read on FR in a coon's age. Complaints about the CIC in the context of war time fantasy land and congressional encroachment, - ridiculous about says it all.

17 posted on 04/24/2006 8:53:43 PM PDT by citizenK (petit tyranny is still tyranny)
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To: gogogodzilla
When the CATO institute starts criticizing President Bush, you KNOW that the sh@t's hit the fan.

Of course, the Bushbot's will immediate claim that the CATO institute is some Commie-Pinko, Liberal, Muzzie-loving, Queer San Franciscan pot commune.

The Cato Institute is avowedly libertarian, if not a proponent of the Libertarian Party.

IOW, they are more liberal than the GOP.

Doug Bandow, of CATO, hates Bush's guts, and has since the beginning of his administration. Cato is generally negative toward Bush. This is not new news.

18 posted on 04/24/2006 9:00:56 PM PDT by sinkspur (Things are about to happen that will answer all your questions and solve all your problems.)
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To: darkwing104
I believe the real concern should be if someone like Hillary becomes President and use/abuse this power against political enemies. After all, the Clinton's do have a History of doing such things.

The real concern here is that anyone in power can do it, not just "someone like Hillary".
19 posted on 04/24/2006 10:30:29 PM PDT by Wolfhound777 (It's not our job to forgive them. Only God can do that. Our job is to arrange the meeting)
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To: PghBaldy
Part of the problem with this article is the fact that what is going on now has never really happened before (the type of war). It seems to me a mixture of a foreign invasion & a "civil war" (citizens attacking from within). It would make sense to view what the President is doing as seeking as much leeway as possible, in order to fight the war, knowing he would be restrained.

I completely agree with you here.


This is a ch__ch. What's missing?

20 posted on 04/25/2006 1:39:49 AM PDT by rdb3 (What it is is what it was.)
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