U.S. workers and taxpayers pay heavy price for illegal immigration (Phyllis Schlafly)

Town Hall ^ | 4/24/2006 | Phyllis Schlafly

[pigdog]

YOU'VE BEEN ANNOINTED AS SPOKESMAN FOR CONGRESS???

I'll be damned. Tony Snow'd better watch out!!

[Ben Ficklin]

The Martinez-Hagel compromise speaks for its self.

[4Freedom]

Enforcement First Favored on Immigration

Survey of 1,000 Adults

March 30-31, 2006

Possible to Reduce Illegal Immigration

Yes 68%

No 20%

RasmussenReports.com

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Before debating new laws, first control borders/enforce existing laws

Agree 66%

Disagree 21%

RasmussenReports.com --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Forcibly Require All 11 Million Illegal Aliens to Leave US

Yes 40%

No 44%

RasmussenReports.com

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Do you see any answers to these poll questions that support your absurd claims, Ben?

Your answer should be no, Ben. Not even the answer to question #3 supports your absurd claims.

We don't have to forcibly deport the 11 million or more illegal aliens in this country.

If we start enforcing the existing laws and kick the illegal aliens off Welfare, Food Stamps and out of our schools, THEY WILL DEPORT THEMSELVES!

[pigdog]

If it does "speak for itself" it apparently doesn't speak too loudly (except to the Latino Coalition, perhaps) since the president of the AFL/CIO is speaking out strongly in OPPOSITION to it?

You are truly a fool sucked in by such political folderol.

[pigdog]

And passing the FairTax as the tax law of the land will also put the illegals at a tax disadvantage (making them pay tax like the rest of us) rather than the tax advantage they have now where the rest of us (but few of them) share in their costs of "being here".

Actually, the 10-12 million number is one of the typically absurd MSM/government "statistics" purposely understating the size of the problem. Get a better feel for the real magnitude by reading this Bear Stearns study.

The data it is based on is about 1-1/2 years old so the actual number would probably have risen from 21 million to about 25 million by now.

[4Freedom]

Agreed and thanks for the link.

We won't mention any names, but some FReepers that have been around here for as much as 8 years don't seem to be able to do that.

LOL!

[Ben Ficklin]

The AFL-CIO leadership is opposed only to the guest worker componant of the bill. They think that ALL of the illegals should be put on the path, not just the ones who have been here the longest.

[Ben Ficklin]

I'm not in Congress so it is pointless for you to try to convince me that the polling data that you agree with is more credible than the polling data that you disagree with.

I hate to tell you this but there is no bill in congress that would arrange deportation.

[pigdog]

I think they should all be "put on the path" also - the path back to where they came from ... and as soon as possible.

Your hyping of this proposed bill merely shows how poliically naive you are. Publicity from the MSM (or wishful thinking by FR posters such as you, senor/senorita) isn't the same thing as political backing.

[spectre]

"Whatever the case, they are here. You can see them at Walmart, restaurants, and other such places."

Oh yes. We just got back from lunch at Carino's Italian Restaurant in North Little Rock. The cooks are visible from the seating area, and all FOUR of them were Speaking Spanish to each other...

I'm hoping they don't show up for work Monday..:)

sw

[Ben Ficklin]

Have you got it straight on the AFL-CIO position now?

OTOH, the Service Employees Union and Unite Here have endorsed the bill.

OTOH, some rank and file AFL-CIO are opposed.

[freedumb2003]

But this card beats 4-of-a-kind:

[spectre]

Consider that New York City has 40 Million Tourists per year.

In one year, 40 million people can fly, sail or drive into NYC and LEAVE again.

And President Bush thinks it's impossible to deport 10 million or so?

Maybe he should hire the NYC tourist commission to show us how it's done there?

sw

[freedumb2003]

"What do you call living in this country illegally?"

I call that de-facto legal status.

I don't want anything bad to happen to anyone, but it would be the fabulous irony if someone were to rob your home and then get away with it and never get caught.

I mean by your logic, if they get away with it, it means they deserve it. If it costs you thousands of dollars to replace -- oh well.

[freedumb2003]

What part of defacto legal status don't you understand?

There is no such thing.

Do you know the difference between de facto and de jure?

You probably should not be throwing meaningless and/or contradictory terms on this forum of all places. It probably works at your reagular hangout at DU, but not here.

[Ben Ficklin]

If there are 12 million of them here, and none of them are being deported, what do you call it.

[pigdog]

I never had the position crooked Ben - that was you.

And now you hope to regale us with all the Lation and left-leaning groups that like the bill since it is merely another step along the path of destroying America? Don't bother ... they're not hard to spot. Nor is your endorsement of that same destruction.

Why don't you retuen to Mexico, too? (Or Guatemala ... or wherever).

[pigdog]

If guys like El Presidente (little Spanglish lingo there) can't deport 10 million, how in hell do they convince all of us that they can deport all those (including the 57 million waiting at the borders) not following whatever new "law" they come up with???

And how do they convince us it will be honored by the gringo-haters who are here thumbing their noses at our laws right now. Get real.

[freedumb2003]

If there are 12 million of them here, and none of them are being deported, what do you call it.

Occupation.

[pigdog]

I call it a goddamned shame, that's what I call it - and a massive wholesale breaking of our laws and a sellout by the Beltway Bastards ... the DC Dumbbells.

I also call it a crime on the 21-25 million who are actually here illegally now. Guess you haven't checked the thoroughly done research I provided - or maybe you'd rather play ostrich.

Or maybe the Latino Coalition pays you for your uninformed help.