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To: TLI

I have only been here a few days, trying to be a moderate in this discussion.

The only answers I see from everyone here is to lock everyone up and build walls around the U.S.

I really thought we might have better ideas from this group, but as I can see now... we need to by into resolving this problem by force and by isolationism or we will be the enemy.

I am not a liberal on this subject, I simply believe that building walls and locking up anyone who is or deals incorrectly with illegal aliens is not going to work.

We have spent trillions on trying to keep drugs out of this country and we have only managed to move the problem around and around and around, not stop it.

I will say no more because I already feel the heat and anger coming at me, but IMHO what you advocate here in this post TLI, will not work.

It might work for cockroaches and rattlesnakes, but not for freedom seeking, poor people....these people are hungry and want to be free at whatever cost...

Please, I am not a troll, I just don't take your position..
that's simply it...


64 posted on 04/24/2006 2:12:46 PM PDT by bugsplat
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To: bugsplat
I simply believe that building walls and locking up anyone who is or deals incorrectly with illegal aliens is not going to work.

Well, first of all, you grossly simplify the debate, and second, once you take away that simplification, you're wrong.

It might work for cockroaches and rattlesnakes, but not for freedom seeking, poor people....these people are hungry and want to be free at whatever cost...

Sorry, but immigration laws are an expression of soverignty, which is vitally important to many on this forum. Tell you what - why don't you house a dozen or so of these poor, oppressed people in your house for a year and then get back to us.

70 posted on 04/24/2006 2:16:11 PM PDT by dirtboy (Illegal is to immigration is as methyl is to alcohol - both make a good thing toxic.)
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To: All

A country that cannot and/or will not secure its borders will soon cease being a country. It's that simple and that important.

If this amnesty goes through, you can kiss America good-bye.


72 posted on 04/24/2006 2:17:03 PM PDT by negril
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To: bugsplat

Can you and Dane post on seperate Freeper forum topics at the same time?


112 posted on 04/24/2006 2:59:36 PM PDT by VOATNOW1
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To: bugsplat
Its clear from your posts that you are indeed a liberal on the subject of illegal immigration. What you advocate is a near open border with mexico which of course would necessitate keeping other nationalities out. Ted Kennedy might be a few steps to the right of you.
132 posted on 04/24/2006 4:20:53 PM PDT by mthom
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To: bugsplat
My suggestions as to a course of action come from direct experience on the border, working with BP agents and plain old common sense.

Make it a felony to be in-country illegally, put the owners of the companies using illegals in jail, cut off the free healthcare and welfare, get rid of the anchor baby b.s. and the criminal illegal alien invaders will be driving those shiny new pickups and Blazers right back across the border just as fast as they can get through the lines at the bridges.

I see nothing wrong with these suggestions and in fact, this would only require thte strict enforcement of current law and the correct interpretation of the constitution to resolve the issues of the anchor babies. Perhaps I would be a bit more sympathetic to their issues if I was not being told by the little b******s to get off the continent.

That ain't gonna happen, my family came here before there was a united States of America, and we ain't about to leave now that a bunch of illegals fell for some commie propaganda.

Of course you can post any opinion you like here (within reason) as long as you follow `ol JimRob's rules. We were all new here once...

147 posted on 04/24/2006 6:41:20 PM PDT by TLI (ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA, Minuteman Project AZ 2005, Texas Minutemen El Paso, Oct and April 2006)
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To: bugsplat
The only answers I see from everyone here is to lock everyone up and build walls around the U.S.

This is half right, half wrong. Most around here do not want to lock up the illegals. They want them sent home and would be happy to allow them to apply for citizenship legally.

At the same time, they want border enforcement that will actually work. Walls are the start. Actually enforcing the laws that are on the books is another step.

I have a question for you. What do think should be done? You call yourself a moderate and claim these positions will not work.

If you had your way, what would YOU do?

154 posted on 04/25/2006 5:33:28 AM PDT by Personal Responsibility (Amnesia is a train of thought.)
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