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Republicans urge Bush to fight high gasoline costs
Reuters ^ | 4/24/6 | Tom Doggett

Posted on 04/24/2006 12:12:45 PM PDT by Crackingham

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To: KenmcG414
The Pres. should declare a national emergency, and authorize exploration and drilling in ANWR as well as off shore. In addition he should order a rollback of federal gas taxes.

He could do all of that. But, also, rescend the Toon's exec. order tying up Utah shale oil deposits. I heard on Boortz today (don't remember source) that there is some 1 trillion barrels of oil that could be recovered. Enough at current consumption to last 100 years.

61 posted on 04/24/2006 1:10:30 PM PDT by jslade (Liberalism ALWAYS accomplishes the exact opposite of it's stated intent!)
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To: AlexW

the sad thing is if they can't figure out a simple problem like this, how are they going to figure out the more complicated ones?


62 posted on 04/24/2006 1:15:09 PM PDT by genghis
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To: The South Texan

This is what I've been thinking, too!


63 posted on 04/24/2006 1:16:54 PM PDT by fhlh (Polls are for Strippers.)
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To: MikeA
Vote to at least temporarily suspend all federal gas taxes and make due with these year's bloated transportation budget to cover next years as well. Gas prices would drop 18 cents a gallon.

This won't have any affect on gasoline prices. Since the final price is a function of supply and demand, and gasoline taxes do not affect the supply, rmoving the taxes will result in the same price that we have now, since demand will not change much either (that is, it would increase a bit if the price was reduced by the amount of the tax, which, given the same supply, would quickly drive prices back up to their current levels)

On the other hand, your comment about clean air mandates - particularly in reference to the various federally mandated reformulated fuels - is spot on. Mandatory fuel formulations not only add a lot of cost and complexity to the manufacture and distribution of gasoline, but they typically reduce automobile gas mileage by 5% and result in an effective 5 - 10% loss in refinery capacity, due to change up and other associated downtime.

Eliminating the silly ass reformulated fuel requirements would effectively add 5 - 10% additional supply while reducing costs and complexity and have ZERO real impact on the environment. And Bush could do it TODAY!

64 posted on 04/24/2006 1:21:49 PM PDT by jscd3
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To: CROSSHIGHWAYMAN
If you want lower prices....drive less!

Bears repeating, especially given the high number of seedy characters (i.e., terror-supporting regimes) that profit off of it.

As for lowering gas taxes, I'm opposed to that for two reasons: One, it probably won't have much effect on the price, because the price is scarcity-driven. Two, it will just make it that much harder to make the income tax cuts permanent. And income taxes are far, far worse than gas taxes.

65 posted on 04/24/2006 1:21:55 PM PDT by inquest (If you favor any legal status for illegal aliens, then do not claim to be in favor of secure borders)
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To: dfwright

ping for later


66 posted on 04/24/2006 1:36:43 PM PDT by dfwright (The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left (Eccl. 10:2, NIV))
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To: LIConFem

Listen, the whole "eminant domain" thing is proven legal, so we just TAKE the entire coast of Calfornia and Florida (and the postage stamp sized chunk of ANWR) "for the public good".


67 posted on 04/24/2006 1:37:22 PM PDT by 50sDad (ST3d: Real Star Trek 3d Chess: http://my.ohio.voyager.net/~abartmes/tactical.htm)
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To: Crackingham


The main reason for high gas prices, among a myriad of other concerns to the American people, is to GET US OUT OF OUR AUTOMOBILES. The less mobile the people, the easier to CONTROL the people. IMHO, Mr. P. won't be doing ANYTHING to benefit the American people. Never before in our history have we lost so much as we have in the past 15 years.


68 posted on 04/24/2006 1:55:19 PM PDT by Paperdoll (On the cutting edge)
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To: Labyrinthos; Crackingham
Choices like $3 per gallon of gas or $8.00 per gallon for bottled water, $14 per gallon for really cheap beer, $30 for a gallon of crappy whine, or $6 per gallon for your favorite soft drink.

Often used comparison, but one that only looks good (but holds no real substance just the illusion of it). Unless, ofcourse, a family that has a vehicle with a fuel tank capacity of 26 gallons and fills up once a week also heads to their local supermarket and buys 26 gallons of bottled water/cheap beer/crappy wine/fave soft drinks/etc every week (in which case their weekly expenditure on gas would be cheaper than their weekly expenditure on 26 gallons of the other products at the prices you listed).

If American families are consuming bottled water/cheap beer/crappy wine/fave soft drinks/etc at the rate at which gas is consumed then that analogy would not be moot, but people don't drink 26 gallons of 'crappy wine' at 30 bucks a gallon (i.e total cost of 780 dollars A WEEK) or 26 gallons of 'really cheap beer' at 14 bucks a gallon every week (total cost of 364 dollars a week). Or even 26 gallons of bottled water at 8 dollars a gallon (i.e 208 dollars a week)! HOWEVER that family does fill up with 26 gallons of gas a week, and at 3 dollars a gallon that comes to 78 dollars a week.

Hence the comparison between gas and the other products simply doesn't hold water, because while the per gallon cost of gas is less than the per gallon cost of water/beer/wine/pop people do not consume those at the rate that they consume gas. Thus the example only looks good (and might make people not good at basic math feel good) but it is simply void of any substance whatsoever.

69 posted on 04/24/2006 1:55:23 PM PDT by spetznaz (Nuclear-tipped Ballistic Missiles: The Ultimate Phallic Symbol)
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To: mysterio

Also people do not buy 26 gallons of any of the above a week (26 gallons of 'crappy wine' at the price he listed of 30 bucks a week comes to 780 dollars a week) , but there are people who fill up their 26 gallon tank with gas a week. That analogy would only make sense if people consumed wine/beer/water at the same rate that they consume gas.


70 posted on 04/24/2006 1:58:06 PM PDT by spetznaz (Nuclear-tipped Ballistic Missiles: The Ultimate Phallic Symbol)
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To: Labyrinthos
"$30 for a gallon of crappy whine, or $6 per gallon for your favorite soft drink."

I never paid for crappy "Whine"(sic), but when I was last in the US, I bought 4 ltr jugs of Carlo Rossie Wine for only $12.
It is not so bad.
People in the US need to know that gas in Europe is about $5 per gallon...always has been, due to tax.
I was talking with the managing director of an Italian oil company that is building gas stations in Slovakia. He is now loosing money on gas that is selling for about $4.50 per gallon at the pump.
The gross profit is only about $70 per 1000 ltrs.
Keep in mind, that gross is before the cost of selling the gas.
71 posted on 04/24/2006 2:00:24 PM PDT by AlexW (Reporting from Bratislava, Slovakia)
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To: Paperdoll
The main reason for high gas prices, among a myriad of other concerns to the American people, is to GET US OUT OF OUR AUTOMOBILES. The less mobile the people, the easier to CONTROL the people.

I don't see how that's the case. Government control - particularly federal government control - over us has increased as we've become more mobile.

72 posted on 04/24/2006 2:05:00 PM PDT by inquest (If you favor any legal status for illegal aliens, then do not claim to be in favor of secure borders)
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To: Crackingham

Price is the point at which supply = demand. Which article of the Constitution gives the President the power to meddle with either supply or demand of any commodity?

I thought not....


73 posted on 04/24/2006 2:07:14 PM PDT by Sarastro
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To: LIConFem

We need more refining capacity.


74 posted on 04/24/2006 2:09:36 PM PDT by satchmodog9 (Most people stand on the tracks and never even hear the train coming)
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To: jscd3

I wondered if the president could suspend the clean burning fuel mandates by executive order or if it would require legislation. It seems to me he temporarily suspended them last year after Katrina. We he allowed them to be re-imposed is beyond me. Almost no one other than Al Gore would have noticed, and only a few more would have cared, if they had just been permanently done away with at that time. As you say, clean engine technologies over the last 10 years make these EPA clean fuel mandates totally redundant.


75 posted on 04/24/2006 2:17:53 PM PDT by MikeA (Not voting in November because you're pouting is a vote for Democratic Congressional control)
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To: Paperdoll
Never before in our history have we lost so much as we have in the past 15 years.

The last time we lost this much freedom this fast? The Depression.
The time before that? The Civil War

76 posted on 04/24/2006 2:21:41 PM PDT by Centurion2000 (Every man must be tempted, sometimes,to hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats.)
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To: AlexW

Um - you are incorrect about Peanut Brain - he was not POTUS in 1976 nor was there a gas shortage that year. He tried some foolishsness in 1979 as did R Milhous Nixon in 1974. FACTS , buddy, facts!


77 posted on 04/24/2006 2:30:38 PM PDT by Seajay (Ordem e Progresso)
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To: andy58-in-nh
and substantial alternatives are not presently available.

Growing everyday...but some areas will benefit long before others do.
78 posted on 04/24/2006 2:31:26 PM PDT by P-40 (http://www.590klbj.com/forum/index.php?referrerid=1854)
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To: mysterio
4. Give research grants for alternative energy to researchers outside of the oil industry.

Already done. http://www.biodiesel.org/news/taxincentive/
79 posted on 04/24/2006 2:34:08 PM PDT by P-40 (http://www.590klbj.com/forum/index.php?referrerid=1854)
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To: Crackingham

Bush's fault.


80 posted on 04/24/2006 2:38:24 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Proud soldier in the American Army of Occupation..)
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