[muawiyah]

As Mary McCarthy has demonstrated, no Democrat can be trusted to hold an office of trust or profit either.

[snoringbear]

Actually, as a "very conservative" conservative, Joe make some sense. Frankly, it seems to me that it may take someone like Hillary winning the whitehouse to reawaken the conservative base and thereby cause them to become proactive again about nominating a "real conservative" ticket. I foresee a three-way split (real conseratives, phoney conservatives/aka moderates, liberals) in the future in which "real conservatives" will represent a sizeable minority in both houses. Thereby, this group will become the swing factor concerning any votes of consequence and will as a result have more power than so called conservatives may have today. A catharsis as such will be good for all I think.