Posted on 04/23/2006 9:21:44 AM PDT by NormsRevenge
"Church leaders argue they are following a higher law, one that sometimes is in conflict with man's law"
This is of course a lie. The Princes of the Church have not followed Gods law when they allowed homo Priests to violate young boys and did nothing. Or when they turned the Seminaries over to the "Gay Subculture" and denied access or made life so difficult they quit to those who sought to serve God because they were not Gay.
The Catholic Church in the United States has been taken over by left-wing radicals who are NOT Catholic but who seek to destroy the Church. A task that they have really been doing a good job at as witnessed by the thousands who were molested by the homosexual so called priests.
The Catholic Bishops do not represent the majority of the Catholics in the United States and should be excommunicated from the Church if we ever get a Pope who has the guts to toss them out. But since they elect the Pope that may be difficult.
The book "Goodbye Good Men" by Michael S. Rose is as excellent read of the scum that have infiltrated the Church.
Opinions please?
People really need to think about what they are saying. Remove the tax exempt status from the Church? There is more in the life than the immigration issue and the church is a great friend on other issues. Be careful what you ask for.
I am not going going to waste much time here defending the Church view on this matter. I have done so in the past and my position is well known. FOr the record, I am not a Marxist, or a Socailist or any of those things. However, I do see that the Church is calling me to remember the dignity of the human being. THe fact that the Church being attacked just reminds me why I am Christian.
Lastly, prepare to expand your attacks. If this has Legs after the Easter break expect other forces to come into play. There is the possibility that some major Evanglicals might speak out on this topic and have a view similar to the Catholic Church. THe boogymen of child abusing Priest and Liberation Theology will not be there. When the Church speaks out on a issue I disagree with it on , I try not to lash out against it. I try to first humble myself and ask if that is Christ speaking to me. Even if in the end I oppose a political stance of the Church, I try not to lash out at its ministers. Do I always succed? No. But thats an occasion of sin for me and I realize that. Furthermore, I thank God there is some with guts to go against the mainstream and realize that I in fact may be wrong. I think that can apply to the Protestant , the Catholic, the Orthodox, or ot the Jew
I am a Catholic and feel that if Church officials, no matter how exalted in the hierarchy, try to undermine our immigration laws, they will be violating the Word of God. "Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's". Immigration law is definitely the within the purview of "Caesar", and the Church is obligated to accept that fact.
"Consequently he who rebels against the authority [established by God] is rebelling against what God has instituted , and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves."
While I admire my Church for extending compassion to others, that does not give it license to undermine our immigration laws, and to teach its flock that violating the law is morally acceptable. Would that the Church would instead use its moral influence to end the conditions in Mexico which cause people to head north.
Shouldn't the church work within the originating countries to which many of the illegals have come?
Why is it necessary for 'sanctuary' here when all it does is place new burdens on churches and faith based orgs that are already caring for many of their own legal citizenry in their own locales?
There is a point at which doing the right thing , regardless of belief or no matter how well intentioned, can actually do more harm in the long run, imo.
Thanks for sharing your views, btw.
St.Paul wrote, "If they will not work, neither should they eat." But you never hear the welfare state Christians quoting that one.
good point
Thanks,
You raise an interesting point. I would say that there is sort of a misconception of how the Catholic Church operates that even many Catholics have. The Church has traditionally very much discouraged Bishops of one Country to get involved in the political affairs of other areas. Especially, outside a Bishop's country. This is for practical as well as Jurisdictional concerns. The Church in Mexico is in a certain precarious situation. It speaks out and does try to change things. However, its a slow process because the Church could be tormented by the Govt again if it moves too fast.
The Church as a whole ,on this whole immigration poilcy, recognizes that the State is not obligated to take in everybody. In fact it states that doing so could harm the common good and the State has responsibilties to regulate it.
Likewise, the Catholic Church views the State in the realistic terms. It realizes it can't solve all the problems of the world. I suppose the Church's biggest concerns is this. That the dignity of the human person and the family be protected. These family issue is where I expect the main problem to be. The Church and many of its members would probally view any policy that broke up so many family units in such a drastic way as deficient. Thats one reason I expect some Evanglicals to speak out. If someone ask a person like Billy or Franklin Graham , or James Dobson etc the right questions on this the answer might be interesting.
Its all a very complicated mess. I think in the end major border security and combinations of proposals is the only way out of this. I do know this, that the current situation is intolerable. Its intolerable because we have terrorist that might have God knows what just walking across the border. Its intolerable because social services and States are being overwhelmed. Its intolerable because there is a lot of workers here doing God knows what in horrible conditions. For instance, I have often wondered what the illegals in New Orleans are doing. I used to live and work there. There are certain areas where very nasty chemicals were unleashed. I suspect they have not been told and are getting cancer as we speak. I could go on and on.
Its all a very complicated mess.
Agreed. :)
They twist the Scriptures to their own destruction while they load the ballot box for the Vatican.
"Likewise, the Catholic Church views the State in the realistic terms. It realizes it can't solve all the problems of the world.'
That Church is only out to solve one problem: it isn't in absolute control of the world yet.
Simple solution. Deport the entire family and the anchor babies can come back as adults. Thus preserving "family unity".
You don't seem to want illegals to live with the consequences of THEIR OWN ACTIONS.
Aside from the laws being broken, the part that really irritates me is the hypocracy. These religious people say that we should have mercy and compassion on these immigrants from Mexico. At the same time Mexico has far far more draconian laws and treatment for peoples coming north into their country.
The only reason they are berating us and demanding that we change the laws here instead of Mexico, where a much greater proportion of illeval immigrants die or at least lose what little they have or go to jails that are in general worse then we can honestly imagine a jail being, is that we will probably let them whereas the Mexican government would crack down on them with far worse than rubber bullets.
Good point, what you are defining is sedition and I agree with your position.
LOL!! Ten American cardinals don't elect the Pope. It takes 81 cardinals to make a 2/3 majority, so the Pope is actually elected by cardinals from OTHER countries.
I'll bet you agree with the bishops when they're lecturing pro-choice politicians, don't you? But, on your pet issue, you want to excommunicate them.
There's a word for that.
You're certainly in the running for the "Dumbest Post of the Day" with this one.
Except that illegal aliens typically don't attend Mass or contribute to the collection plate.
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