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To: 69ConvertibleFirebird
No one is faulting you for working two jobs.

People are faulting you for having no compassion for others who couldn't do that.

Perhaps you have heard this saying, "There but for the grace of God go I."

378 posted on 04/23/2006 4:28:13 PM PDT by Miss Marple (Lord, please look after Mozart Lover's and Jemian's sons and keep them strong.)
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To: Miss Marple

Amen.


381 posted on 04/23/2006 4:29:45 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (((172 * 3.141592653589793238462) / 180) * 10 = 30.0196631)
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To: Miss Marple
People are faulting you for having no compassion for others who couldn't do that.

People are faulting me due to their ignorance. I have a great deal of compassion for people who loose it all due to tragedies, etc. Yes, I have less for my tenant who pays $200/month cell phone bills but doesn't want to pay rent, and, of course isn't saving a thing for retirement (just imagine how that $200/month could be built up over 40 years!). It is certainly harder to have a lot of compassion for those who make their own problems. In general, not saving for retirement is a HUGE problem, of people's own making, in the US (yes, tragedies excepted). If I went to Las Vegas and lost it all I wouldn't expect a huge outpouring of compassion for me. Apparently I would get it on FR...

Anyway, it was a good discussion - I've got to run now...

390 posted on 04/23/2006 4:44:13 PM PDT by 69ConvertibleFirebird (Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.)
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To: Miss Marple
People are faulting you for having no compassion for others who couldn't do that.

I would like to be compassionate, but at the same time it is painfully obvious to me that most people do not do anything near what they could in support of future security. The vast majority of people have a surprising range of things they absolutely refuse to sacrifice for their long term benefit, and yet act as though it was beyond their control when hardship happens. People do not have savings because they spend vast quantities of money on frivolous things, and they stay in poverty because they are unable to sacrifice all those frivolous things even when they cannot afford them. I've lived maybe half my adult life in poverty, and have seen this pattern over and over again. And I do not exclude myself from this criticism; I could have been in a much less marginal financial position in times past if I had been wiser with my money and recognized unjustified luxuries when I saw them.

Most people experience severe hardship at least once in their life, it is normal. It is a transient state for many people, and for most of the rest, it is because they are unwilling to sacrifice whatever lifestyle they are accustomed to, no matter how meager, or to make hard life changes that would benefit them. Yes, some people just get really unlucky, but the vast majority of the cases you cite could have been largely or entirely mitigated by a little sacrifice and sane financial management. Refusing to make hard sacrifices is not the same as being unable to make hard sacrifices, and make no mistake in most cases it is a history of refusal rather than inability.

The excuses are flowing far too easily here. If people were smarter about their finances many of these issues would have their impact mitigated, turning them into just another one of life's bumps.

417 posted on 04/23/2006 6:42:26 PM PDT by tortoise (All these moments lost in time, like tears in the rain.)
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