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Protesters say it's not U.S.'s job to provide for illegal immigrants
Houston Chronicle ^ | 4/23/6 | Todd Ackerman

Posted on 04/23/2006 5:58:39 AM PDT by Crackingham

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To: marajade
I just want it on record in the thread that you want them to receive nothing,
not even emergency medical services. That we are to just to leave them on the street to die.


Gosh, where did that come from?
I just wanted to get it clear: illegal immigrants do get a free benefit,
in terms of medical treatment.
That is all my posts 84 and 87 were about. And you've graciously
answered the question in an authoritative fashion. Thanks.
101 posted on 04/24/2006 7:24:19 PM PDT by VOA
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To: marajade

Okay since you stated it for the 10th time let me restate it a few more times:

Illegals are receiving benefits.
You are WRONG. You are WRONG. You are WRONG.
You are WRONG. You are WRONG. You are WRONG.
You are WRONG. You are WRONG. You are WRONG.
You are WRONG. You are WRONG. You are WRONG.

I guess that puts me ahead of you, at least for now.

; )


102 posted on 04/24/2006 7:24:37 PM PDT by antceecee (Hey AG Gonzales! ENFORCE IMMIGRATION LAWS NOW!!!)
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To: VOA

How you know they aren't paying for any medical treatment they may be receiving?

And... emergency medical treatment isn't considered an eligibility program by LAW.

If you don't like it, change the LAW.


103 posted on 04/24/2006 7:25:56 PM PDT by marajade (Yes, I'm a SW freak!)
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To: antceecee

I know the truth, you are totally lying.


104 posted on 04/24/2006 7:27:12 PM PDT by marajade (Yes, I'm a SW freak!)
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To: marajade

I guess you should check that mirror if you want to see the liar.
Your arguments are circular. You admonish VOA about letting children die on the streets when the poster was trying to make a point about use of benefits illegally. You have given absolutely no evidence to support your claim that illegals get no benefits other than your perhaps fictional background in social services.

Have a read, I guess these people are liars too:
(link at: http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalrelease.html)

The Costs of Illegal Immigration
Illegals Cost Feds $10 Billion a Year; Amnesty Would Nearly Triple Cost

Read the Report

WASHINGTON (August 25, 2004) — A new study from the Center for Immigration Studies is one of the first to estimate the impact of illegal immigration on the federal budget. Based on Census Bureau data, the study estimates that households headed by illegal aliens used $10 billion more in government services than they paid in taxes in 2002. These figures are only for the federal government; costs at the state and local level are also likely to be significant. The study also finds that if illegals were given amnesty, the fiscal deficit at the federal level would grow to nearly $29 billion.

Among the findings:

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Illegal alien households are estimated to use $2,700 a year more in services than they pay in taxes, creating a total fiscal burden of nearly $10.4 billion on the federal budget in 2002.
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Among the largest federal costs: Medicaid ($2.5 billion); treatment for the uninsured ($2.2 billion); food assistance programs ($1.9 billion); the federal prison and court systems ($1.6 billion); and federal aid to schools ($1.4 billion).
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If illegal aliens were legalized and began to pay taxes and use services like legal immigrants with the same education levels, the estimated annual fiscal deficit at the federal level would increase from $2,700 per household to nearly $7,700, for a total federal deficit of $29 billion.
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With nearly two-third of illegals lacking a high school diploma, the primary reason they create a fiscal deficit is their low education levels and resulting low incomes and tax payments — not their legal status or their unwillingness to work.
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Amnesty increases costs because illegals would still be largely unskilled, and thus their tax payments would continue to be very modest, but once legalized they would be able to access many more government services.
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The fact that legal immigrants with little schooling are a fiscal drain on federal coffers does not mean that legal immigrants overall are a drain. Many legal immigrants are highly skilled.
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Because many of the costs are due to their U.S.-born children, who are awarded U.S. citizenship at birth, barring illegals themselves from federal programs will not significantly reduce costs.
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Although they create a net drain on the federal government, the average illegal household pays more than $4,200 a year in federal taxes, for a total of nearly $16 billion.
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However, they impose annual costs of more than $26.3 billion, or about $6,950 per illegal household.
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About 43 percent, or $7 billion, of the federal taxes illegals pay go to Social Security and Medicare.
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Employers do not see the costs associated with less-educated immigrant workers because the costs are spread out among all taxpayers.

Why Legalization Is So Costly. Costs rise unavoidably because amnesty will not change the low education levels of illegal aliens or the fact that the American economy offers such workers very limited opportunities, regardless of legal status. The vast majority of illegal aliens will continue to have very low incomes, and make very modest tax payments. However, legal status would allow them to use many more programs. We know that costs would rise dramatically because legal immigrants with the same levels of education make extensive use of public services. Thus, even though we estimate that average tax payments would rise by 77 percent, we also find that costs would rise 117 percent. To understand why this happens, it is helpful to consider a program like the Earned Income Tax Credit, which pays cash to low-income workers. Illegals currently account for only 1.5 percent of the program’s total costs, but if they were legalized their use of the program would grow tenfold because with legal status they would no longer need stolen or bogus Social Security numbers to get the credit. This dramatic rise in costs is not due to laziness on the part of immigrants. In fact, only those who work receive the EITC. The dramatic rise in costs simply reflects the low educational attainment of illegals and their resulting low incomes.

If Illegals Stay, So Will the Costs. To the extent that policy makers have considered the fiscal costs of illegal immigration, they have generally tried to reduce the costs while allowing illegals to remain. But this strategy has not been effective because the average illegal already receives less than half as much in services from the federal government as do other households. Moreover, many of the costs are due to their U.S.-born children, who are awarded American citizenship at birth under current law. Other programs are simply too politically sensitive to cut, such as the Women, Infants and Children nutrition program. And others costs are unavoidable, such as incarcerating illegals who have been convicted of crimes. Conversely, enforcing immigration laws is both popular with voters and administratively more feasible. There are really only two options: either we begin to enforce the law, significantly reducing the number of illegals in the country, or we accept the costs created by the presence of a large pool of unskilled workers.

Results Similar to Other Studies. A 1997 report by the National Research Council (NRC) on the fiscal impact of immigrants concluded that education levels and resulting income are the primary determinants of tax payments and service use, which is also a central finding of this report. The results of this study closely match the findings of a 1998 Urban Institute study. Our estimated average tax payment for illegal households in New York State is almost identical to that of the Urban Institute, when adjusted for inflation. The results of this study are also buttressed by an analysis of illegal alien tax returns done by the Inspector General’s Office of the Department of Treasury in 2004, which found that about half had no federal income tax liability, very similar to our findings of 45 percent.

The panel discussion is open to the public. For more information, contact Steven Camarota at (202) 466-8185 or sac@cis.org.

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The Center for Immigration Studies is an independent research institute
which examines the impact of immigration on the United States.


105 posted on 04/24/2006 7:35:14 PM PDT by antceecee (Hey AG Gonzales! ENFORCE IMMIGRATION LAWS NOW!!!)
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To: antceecee; La Enchiladita; JustPiper

ping


106 posted on 04/24/2006 7:35:55 PM PDT by antceecee (Hey AG Gonzales! ENFORCE IMMIGRATION LAWS NOW!!!)
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To: All

http://www.illegalaliens.us/
"UNDOCUMENTED is politically correct nonsense!

Those 'undocumented' are actually 'highly documented' with fraudulent documents our government readily accepts.

Calling an illegal alien an undocumented immigrant is like calling a burglar an uninvited house guest."


107 posted on 04/24/2006 7:42:11 PM PDT by antceecee (Hey AG Gonzales! ENFORCE IMMIGRATION LAWS NOW!!!)
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To: CarolinaGuitarman

I third it!


108 posted on 04/24/2006 7:42:59 PM PDT by NordP (I've seen enough "24" to know there are many things a President cannot talk about, yet must do.)
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To: antceecee
You admonish VOA about letting children die on the streets when the poster
was trying to make a point about use of benefits illegally.


No big deal.
But, given that emergency rooms around the Los Angeles area keep being
boarded up, there is some sort of problem.
Not everyone that dodges emergency room bills is an illegal immigrant
from Mexico and points south...but it's clear this is at least A PART
of the reason for these closures.

When I finished my 10 years in Los Angeles last year, one more
had closed (in a suburb in the NE area, IIRC). And finally,
talk-show host Doug McIntyre of KABC 790AM was mentioning what
is know in emergency medical circles: people do die when emergency rooms
get closed.
That's why Germany has a fantastic network of emergency rooms
and trauma centers. They are situated so that accident victims can
get from the Autobahn to help as quickly as possible. And that transport
time is the matter between life and death.

Meanwhile, Los Angeles, with it's maze of highways, is headed in
the opposite direction.
109 posted on 04/24/2006 7:51:07 PM PDT by VOA
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To: antceecee
Now tell me, who do you think was eating all of this food, the fifteen year old Mamma or the strapping healthy men?
These are the people our President feels we should give a guest worker program to.

That "shadow world" is full of sinister deeds. It's disconcerting where all, with whom and how far the "shadow world's" fingers reach.

110 posted on 04/24/2006 9:20:29 PM PDT by exhaustedmomma (Calling illegal alien an undocumented immigrant is like calling a burglar an uninvited house guest)
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To: janetgreen

Ping


111 posted on 04/24/2006 10:25:04 PM PDT by antceecee (Hey AG Gonzales! ENFORCE IMMIGRATION LAWS NOW!!!)
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To: antceecee

Had this in the dailies thanks CC!


112 posted on 04/25/2006 12:11:16 PM PDT by JustPiper (In our time, no foreign army has ever occupied American soil. Until now.)
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