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Dump Cheney for Condi, Bush urged
Times Online ^ | 04/23/06 | Sarah Baxter

Posted on 04/22/2006 11:03:41 PM PDT by Pikamax

Dump Cheney for Condi, Bush urged Sarah Baxter, Washington

REPUBLICANS are urging President George W Bush to dump Dick Cheney as vice-president and replace him with Condoleezza Rice if he is serious about presenting a new face to the jaded American public. They believe that only the sacrifice of one or more of the big beasts of the jungle, such as Cheney or Donald Rumsfeld, the defence secretary, will convince voters that Bush understands the need for a fresh start.

The jittery Republicans claim Bush’s mini-White House reshuffle last week will do nothing to forestall the threat of losing control of Congress in the November mid-term elections.

Fred Barnes of the Weekly Standard magazine and author of Rebel in Chief, a sympathetic new biography of Bush, said: “There are going to have to be sweeping personnel changes if people are going to take a second look at the Bush presidency.”

Barnes, who is close to the White House, said he believed Cheney would be willing to stand down in order to help Bush. “It’s unlike Bush to dump somebody whom he likes and respects,” he cautioned. “But the president needs to do something shocking and dramatic such as putting in Condoleezza Rice.”

Cheney appeared to have beeen caught napping during a visit to the Oval Office by China’s president, Hu Jintao, on Friday, although he claimed he had been looking down at his notes. It has often been said that he would cite medical reasons should he ever resign.

The best scenario, Barnes added, would be for Bush to announce that “Dick Cheney will be around as an outside adviser and I can call him on the phone, but I’d like to anoint somebody who I think will be the next leader of the United States”.

Tom Edmonds, a leading Republican consultant, said the White House had failed to grasp that the party was in desperate straits. “I have never talked to so many disenchanted Republicans,” he said. “The president even stonewalled the minor changes he made by talking about how he was really perfectly happy with his team. He didn’t even give himself wiggle room.”

One Republican strategist, who did not want to be named, said: “If I were Bush I would think of changing Cheney. It is one of the few substantial things he can do to change the complexion of his administration. The rest is nibbling around the edges.”

Bush’s new chief of staff, Joshua Bolten, quickly put his stamp on the inner workings of the White House last week by stripping Karl Rove, Bush’s most powerful adviser, of his policy-making role and ordering him to concentrate on his forte: winning elections.

Bolten also obtained the resignation of the White House spokesman, Scott McClellan, who was nicknamed Piggy in a recent Vanity Fair article because of his resemblance to the hapless victim of the feral boys in Lord of the Flies.

Tony Snow, a Fox News broadcaster who is favoured to replace McClellan, has previously described the Bush administration as “listless” and in dire need of change.

But a new communicator cannot reinvent an old team. Edmonds believes Rumsfeld should go. “The president is loyal to a fault,” he said. “His loyalty shouldn’t be to Rumsfeld but to the troops in Afghanistan and Iraq. We need a new, strong face on the war, such as Senator John McCain or Joe Lieberman (the pro-war Democrat senator).”

Bob Schieffer, a CBS news television presenter, said Bush may yet drop Rumsfeld despite his strong declaration of support. “It was also this president who said, ‘Brownie, you’re doing a heck of a job’ and that was just before Brownie got canned,” Schieffer said, referring to Michael Brown, who directed the Federal Emergency Management Agency’s much-criticised response to Hurricane Katrina.

John Snow, the Treasury secretary, has been left twisting in the wind while replacements for him are openly discussed, and Rob Portman has been brought in to replace Bolten as budget director. Suggestions that Harriet Miers, Bush’s White House counsel who was dropped as his supreme court nominee, would be next to go were denied last week.

Supporters say Bush should live up to his bold claim that he is “the decider” — made while rejecting recent calls for Rumsfeld’s resignation from half a dozen senior generals — and start firing senior people rather than backroom staff.

“If the Democrats win either the House of Representatives or the Senate it will be death and torment. It will be horrible for Bush,” said Barnes. A Democrat win could lead to moves to impeach Bush for leading the country to war on allegedly false pretences, or at the very least, to bog down the president’s legislative programme until he leaves office in 2008.

Rove has been privately warning party activists to expect some losses in the mid-term elections. One insider said: “I’ve heard him say at several party gatherings that the president wasn’t supposed to win in 2000, but he did. We’ve increased our margins of victory time and again. We can’t just keep winning on top of winning so we’re bound to slip back, but we’re still doing better than you would historically expect.”

Only one two-term victor has been more unpopular than Bush at a similar six-year stage in his presidency — Richard Nixon in the months before he was impeached.


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1 posted on 04/22/2006 11:03:43 PM PDT by Pikamax
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The jittery Republicans claim Bush’s mini-White House reshuffle last week will do nothing to forestall the threat of losing control of Congress

Republicans are "jittery" not because of Bush's policies and fortunes, but because they are a pack of useless spineless cowards.

2 posted on 04/22/2006 11:11:34 PM PDT by Kenny Bunkport
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To: Pikamax

Rice over Cheney?

No thanks.


3 posted on 04/22/2006 11:16:31 PM PDT by NapkinUser (http://www.vasquezforidaho.org/)
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To: Pikamax
Rove has been privately warning party activists to expect some losses in the mid-term elections. One insider said: “I’ve heard him say at several party gatherings that the president wasn’t supposed to win in 2000, but he did. We’ve increased our margins of victory time and again. We can’t just keep winning on top of winning so we’re bound to slip back, but we’re still doing better than you would historically expect.”

That doesn't sound like something Rove would say.
4 posted on 04/22/2006 11:22:20 PM PDT by West Coast Conservative (Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists.)
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To: Pikamax

I love Condi Rice, and want her to be the next Republican candidate, BUT this...no way, no how--NEVER!!

I think that Dick Cheney is a wonderful Vice President, and a true conservative.


5 posted on 04/22/2006 11:24:31 PM PDT by sissyjane (Don't be stuck on stupid!)
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To: Pikamax

Put down the crack pipe, Sarah Baxter!


6 posted on 04/22/2006 11:28:50 PM PDT by thegreatbeast (Quid lucrum istic mihi est?)
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To: Kenny Bunkport

These damn pansies creep out of the woodwork every two monthes trying to convince Bush to replace all his most effective suboordinates with worthless RINOs.


7 posted on 04/22/2006 11:30:11 PM PDT by A Balrog of Morgoth (With fire, sword, and stinging whip I drive the RINOs in terror before me.)
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To: Pikamax
One Republican strategist, who did not want to be named, said: “If I were Bush I would think of changing Cheney.

Well, you're not, so put a cork in it, Mr. Gergen.
8 posted on 04/22/2006 11:31:54 PM PDT by A Balrog of Morgoth (With fire, sword, and stinging whip I drive the RINOs in terror before me.)
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Uh, first of all, Nixon wasn't impeached. And most of the rest of this is bullshit too.
9 posted on 04/22/2006 11:38:45 PM PDT by Clinging Bitterly (Oregon - a pro-militia and firearms state that looks just like Afghanistan .)
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I dont know if Condi is the best choice, but I know that Bush needs to do something.

I have wondered how I, a 20 year old in Southern Ohio can have a better idea of what is going on in the country than the President does. He needs to fire some people. Raise his voice and get tough. Become more of a hands on leader and stop putting too much faith in advisers. The President has a problem with relating to the American people. That is what was loved about Reagan, Kennedy and FDR, they knew how to communicate to us regular folks. They could relate to us. They knew what the pulse of the country was. Bush seems to be locked away.

Franklin Deleno Roosevelt and Ronald Wilson Reagan would be firing some people and chewing on some ass right now.

A shake up is needed.


10 posted on 04/22/2006 11:45:36 PM PDT by se_ohio_young_conservative (God makes us strong for alittle while so that we can protect the weak.)
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To: se_ohio_young_conservative

I dont understand how you can have an executive leadership position without raising your voice and even being a bit of a pain in the butt sometimes just to make sure the job gets done and people know that they are accountable for their decisions. No ones job should be completely safe. President is the boss of that administration. He should demand the best and expect the best. When the best is not good enough, you find someone who you think has a better chance to make it good enough.


11 posted on 04/23/2006 12:07:03 AM PDT by se_ohio_young_conservative (God makes us strong for alittle while so that we can protect the weak.)
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To: se_ohio_young_conservative
I dont know if Condi is the best choice, but I know that Bush needs to do something. I have wondered how I, a 20 year old in Southern Ohio can have a better idea of what is going on in the country than the President does. He needs to fire some people. Raise his voice and get tough. Become more of a hands on leader and stop putting too much faith in advisers. The President has a problem with relating to the American people. That is what was loved about Reagan, Kennedy and FDR, they knew how to communicate to us regular folks. They could relate to us. They knew what the pulse of the country was. Bush seems to be locked away. Franklin Deleno Roosevelt and Ronald Wilson Reagan would be firing some people and chewing on some ass right now. A shake up is needed.

Its a shame more Republicans dont think like you and I. Maybe after we get our butts handed to us in the mid-term elections will more people WAKE UP!

12 posted on 04/23/2006 12:15:38 AM PDT by stuck_in_new_orleans
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To: stuck_in_new_orleans

it is like this.

It is the 4th quarter and we are in prevent defense ahead by just 1 or 2 points. We have made mistakes and let them stay in the gaame.

We let the Democrats into field goal range and now they are inside the 15 yard line.

the writing on the wall is not good.


13 posted on 04/23/2006 12:24:30 AM PDT by se_ohio_young_conservative (God makes us strong for alittle while so that we can protect the weak.)
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To: stuck_in_new_orleans

it is like this.

It is the 4th quarter and we are in prevent defense ahead by just 1 or 2 points. We have made mistakes and let them stay in the gaame.

We let the Democrats into field goal range and now they are inside the 15 yard line.

the writing on the wall is not good.


14 posted on 04/23/2006 12:24:31 AM PDT by se_ohio_young_conservative (God makes us strong for alittle while so that we can protect the weak.)
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To: Kenny Bunkport

Correct.

Placing a serious Republican potential candidate in the position of vice-president right now is not wise. Rather than buoy Bush, it would destroy Rice.

Besides, Cheny is an effective vice-Presidnt and a much clearer thinker than Bush. Bush needs him.

Were it not for age and heart problems, he would have made a much better President.

Dumb idea from people with no interest in helping Republicans.


15 posted on 04/23/2006 12:26:20 AM PDT by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis, Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: Dave in Eugene of all places

Nixon was impeached. He just wasn't ever convicted.


16 posted on 04/23/2006 1:00:45 AM PDT by CheyennePress
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To: Pikamax

Prez. fires Veep? Be a first wouldn't it?


17 posted on 04/23/2006 1:08:20 AM PDT by Waco
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To: Waco

Not only would it be a first but I am pretty sure its impossible. The President cannot fire the Vice President of the United States. He has no authority or power to do so.


18 posted on 04/23/2006 1:12:36 AM PDT by catholicfreeper
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To: Pikamax

Another Liberal-Media-Wishful-Thinking masquerading as a news story. They're simply shameless. Remember the 2004 election when "sources" told them just about everyone in the Administration was either being fired or resigning? They're incorrigible juveniles.


19 posted on 04/23/2006 1:14:54 AM PDT by JennysCool (Liberals don't care what you do, as long as it's mandatory.)
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To: JennysCool

I was just thinking the same thing...

The greatest threat to a DEM in 2008 is Rice as VP, and this would tie her to Bush policies for the 2008 race....

They could bash on her unrelentlessly for 2 years without resorting to the Uncle Tom thing...

I say pass........


20 posted on 04/23/2006 1:19:55 AM PDT by tcrlaf
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