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To: Redleg1963
No it was a Felony until the mid 70's!

And a felon gets a jury trial. Can you imagine how clogged our court system would become if every immigrant decided to contest his arrest? The court costs involved?

It was a mistake to reclassify illegal immigrants as felons, and even Sensenbrenner and Tancredo realize it.

14 posted on 04/20/2006 7:44:02 PM PDT by sinkspur (Things are about to happen that will answer all your questions and solve all your problems.)
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To: sinkspur
I've seen this said before. I don't see how it can be an argument.

I imagine illegals would get legal counsel at their deportation hearing. Their defense would be, it's all a mistake? The question is simple: is the person in the country legally? If he is he can prove it. If he can't prove it, he's not.

The Congress and/or the legislatures are charged with making procedural rules. Legislative changes to the rules of criminal procedure for such cases could be made just like all other changes to them have been made.

One of the changes made could be simply that the defendant is tried by a legislative tribunal, much like a traffic court, with a trial de novo application to a court of record tailored to those presumed to be in the country illegally and therefore not having full access to the same protection as a citizen.

In other words, there would have to be some sort of prima facie evidence introduced to indicate a legal status. If so, then the possibility of a jury trial. If not, bye, bye. Yes, I don't see any reason this all can be done under the constitutions, the 14th amendment notwistanding. I think the option of a trial de novo would overcome objections about that amendment.

The original question applies here that has applied all along. Do our elected officials have the will to do it.

103 posted on 04/22/2006 7:02:36 PM PDT by William Terrell (Individuals can exist without government but government can't exist without individuals.)
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