Posted on 04/20/2006 6:12:54 AM PDT by 300magnum
TUCSON, Ariz. - Minuteman border watch leader Chris Simcox has a message for President Bush: Build new security fencing along the border with Mexico or private citizens will.
Simcox said Wednesday that he's sending an ultimatum to the president, through the media, of course "You can't get through to the president any other way" to deploy military reserves and the National Guard to the Arizona border by May 25.
Or, Simcox said, by the Memorial Day weekend Minuteman Civil Defense Corps volunteers and supporters will break ground to start erecting fencing privately.
"We have had landowners approach," Simcox said in an interview. "We've been working on this idea for a while. We're going to show the federal government how easy it is to build these security fences, how inexpensively they can be built when built by private people and free enterprise."
Simcox said a half-dozen landowners along the Arizona-Mexico border have said they will allow fencing to be placed on their borderlands, and others in California, Texas and New Mexico have agreed to do so as well.
"Certainly, as with everything else, we're only able to cover a small portion of the border," Simcox said. "The state and federal government have bought up most of the land around the border. I suspect that's why we'll never get control of the border."
But he said the plan is to put up secure fencing that truly will be an effective deterrent, and to show how easily it can be accomplished.
Simcox gave this description of the envisioned barrier-and-fencing complex:
Start with a 6-foot deep trench so a vehicle can't crash through; behind it, roll of concertina (coiled, razor-edged barbed wire), in front of a 15-foot high heavy-gauge steel mesh fence angled outward at the top.
Behind the fence will be a 60- to 70-foot wide unpaved but graded dirt road, along with inexpensive, mounted video cameras that can be monitored from home computers. On the other side of the road will be a second, 15-foot fence, with more concertina wire on its outside.
"It's a very simple, effective design based on feedback we've had from Border Patrol and the military," Simcox said. "It's a fence that can be built on the cheap, effective and secure."
Simcox said supporters will try to build the fencing with volunteer labor. Surveyors and contractors have offered to help with the design and survey work, he said, and some have said they will provide heavy equipment.
Simcox said those involved in the planning hope to keep costs to between $125 and $150 a foot.
Access to land literally on the border is an issue because so much is state-leased trust property or federally owned, he said.
"You may have to deal with a situation where private property owners erect their own fences and may be faced with the president sending the National Guard to prevent them from protecting their private property," Simcox said.
He said the Minuteman plan is "to keep turning up the heat" until President Bush has to respond somehow.
Uh-oh!!
No, I just have work to do that doesn't include posting on some web site.
Why not on our northern border and all along the coasts also? Then we'll have to guard against people digging under, climbing over, and flying over. The whole idea is stupid, expensive and a waste of time and money.
Well good for you. You still fit the bill for my description, whether you like it or not. Also, you come across as the bigoted one. That's something YOU need to work on.
That is because the question that you have linked has nothing to do with our discussion or this thread.
You're delusional
Bubonic plague.
Do you believe property lines are racist too? I'm sure you won't mind if I act like an illegal immigrant and dump some trash on your property and sue you if you try to stop me from walking through your yard whenever I feel like it. After all, any type of boundary that denotes a change in ownership is racist.
and you're blind
"The so called "Minute Men" have become an embarrassment to America and a disgrace to the name they have stolen."
Are you an illegal perhaps or simply a DUmmie? I can't imagine any rational person making such an uneducated statement unless they had a particular dog in this fight that they were trying to protect. The Minute Men are true heroes, as they try to protect America not only from ILLEGALS but from self destructive government as well.
"General Secretary Gorbachev, if you seek peace, if you seek prosperity for the Soviet Union and Eastern Europe, if you seek liberalization: Come here to this gate! Mr. Gorbachev, open this gate! Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall! "
Guess I am not sure if I would want my legacy to go down as the president who built the wall.
IMHO, how can we forget what symbolism "a wall" portrays.
When I look at the Statue Of Liberty, I have to wonder what our forefathers would have thought if they had to enter the U.S. through a wall.
I can't believe we stand for freedom and allow this to happen :-(
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WTF are you saying? You went to a public school, huh!
The Berlin Wall kept people IN - not OUT.
Our forefathers came here LEGALLY. Our founding fathers thought enough to make sure it was written into the Constitution that we are to be PROTECTED FROM INVASION.
LEGAL....Can you read that....LEGAL. Our doors are open...but not our F'in windows.
Thank you for this excellent point. Even the mention of a wall, Isreali wall or a US border wall, is assumed to be evil when discussing the issue with liberals or pro-illegals. They have no understanding of freedom, so they see no difference between a wall of protection and a wall meant to enslave or hold a population captive.
Que paso LPM, por qué usted no contestará a mi poste? Corta también cerca de hogar?
Or are you just another DU hit and run troll?
$50.00 says your either a Santa Fe elitist, or you have illegals on your payroll.
"I can't believe you think freedom is freedom from the law.
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My friend, this country was forged by revolution, which by the very essence was not lawful. Our founding fathers wanted freedom when they came here and overthrew their own Government. Vast numbers of illegal aliens have come to the U.S. over the past 300+ years, worked hard, became U.S. citizens and eventually spawned families that are the backbone of our country today!
The vast majority of these illegals want a right to a decent life they can't have in their own sorry country. I don't fall in line with the belief that they are all criminals and they need to be locked up.
Law breakers....bah... Give them proper treatment as human beings and they would gladly opt to be "legal" and "free".
With the opulence of capitalism, our way of life appeals to those who have less. Something our founding fathers figured out how to handle very wisley. Enslave, indenture or suppress those of lesser birthrights and make it work to your advantage. These people are trying whatever means they can use to be "legal" and "free". But we are smart and think we can keep it from happening. Much like the way we tried to control alcohol and now try to control drugs.
We think we can control these people, because we fear we will lose control over them. Hmmmm..just like our founding fathers....
Well put the wall up and then you have "control". For a short time anyway. Look at people who will give all the money they have, be willing to die in hot, crowded vehicles, abandon their families and friends, and survive in the worst of conditions to get paid wages that you and I know are ridiculous.
Can we really stop or control people with this kind of desire without looking bad?
Yes, I agree. Pointless. I had mentioned these misgivings in the preface to my question.
What exactly is your question?
The people who don't want to secure our borders are a disgrace to America. According to your logic America doesn't even exist because our southern border extends to Antartica.
So you think it is your decision what people do on their own private property. The Berlin Wall analogy is imbecilic for several reasons, including the obvious one that no private property existed in East Germany.
"According to your logic..."
I haven't heard any logic at all from LPM. Just invective and emotionalism.
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