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At $2.75 it is not fun filling my Suburban.
1 posted on 04/17/2006 1:32:50 PM PDT by SLB
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At $2.75 it is not fun filling my Suburban.

That's why I drive an old Eagle Summit for my commute. Gets 36-40 mpg. Yeah, it's got absolutely no amenities (I paid more for my lawnmower than I paid for it), but it runs and saves me over a hundred bucks a month on my commute.

2 posted on 04/17/2006 1:36:48 PM PDT by dirtboy (Illegal is to immigration is as methyl is to alcohol - both make a good thing toxic.)
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In a related matter......OB1

Oil Demand Could Outpace Saudi Production Capacity

3 posted on 04/17/2006 1:37:32 PM PDT by OB1kNOb (America is the land of the free BECAUSE of the BRAVE !! BUILD THE WALL! PROTECT OUR BORDERS!)
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If the enviro-weenies would let us drill for oil, we wouldn't even need to rely on outside oil.


4 posted on 04/17/2006 1:38:20 PM PDT by BigTex5
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Oil from Coal --- Free! The Karrick LTC Process http://www.rexresearch.com/karrick/karric~1.html

http://www.tomvalentine.com/html/karrick2.html

The process was perfected by Lewis C. Karrick, an oil shale technologist at the U.S. Bureau of Mines in the 1920s. LTC is a pyrolysis process that involves heating coal, shale, lignite, or any other carbonaceous material, including garbage) to about 800o F. in the absence of oxygen. Oil is thus distilled from the material, rather than burning as it would if oxygen were present. After treatment by the Karrick process, a ton of coal will yield up to a barrel of oil, 3000 cu. ft. of rich fuel gas, and 1500 lb. of solid smokeless char (semi-coke). The economics of the process are such that the oil is obtained for free!

The smokeless char is an excellent substitute for coal in utility boilers, and for coking coal in steel smelters. It yields more heat than raw coal, and it can be converted to water gas. That gas can be converted to oil by the Fischer-Tropsch synthesis-process. The coal gas produced by Karrick-LTC yields more BTUs than natural gas because it contains a greater amount of combined carbon, and there is less dilution of the combustion gases with water vapor. The phenolic wastes are used by the chemical industry as feedstock for working up into plastics, etc.. The process produces no pollutants other than carbon dioxide.

See links above for rest of the story! And it's in the United States!

6 posted on 04/17/2006 1:44:02 PM PDT by patriot_wes
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Nuclear power plants to give cheap energy needed for the coal gasification process.


8 posted on 04/17/2006 1:45:48 PM PDT by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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I'm not too worries about peak oil. I am worried that the rate of increase in demand will be far greater than any production increases. If that is the case, peak oil will be moot.


10 posted on 04/17/2006 1:46:32 PM PDT by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what and Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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We have been in one for quite some time. Between a government that does not give a damn about the future of the country or a comprehensive energy policy that satisfies our energy needs, and the outright greed of the oil companies (are we down to just two now?) --- the industrial/government complex is doing quite a job on us. To say nothing of the cost of heating fuels...

Energy crisis -- hell yes.


11 posted on 04/17/2006 1:46:35 PM PDT by EagleUSA
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"I think we are probably beyond the point where we can avoid the consequences of peaking. I think what we need to do now is to simply minimize the consequences of peaking. I don't think we have a prayer of avoiding the consequences of peaking."

I think you just like to say the word "peaking".


13 posted on 04/17/2006 1:50:43 PM PDT by Gefreiter ("Are you drinking 1% because you think you're fat?")
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"An oil price spike to perhaps $200 dollars a barrel or more could wreck whole sectors of our economy, like the airline industry, which is already hurting from oil at $70 a barrel. Just think what would happen if airline ticket prices tripled from today's levels!"

This illustrates how totally asinine the analysis in this article is. The cost of fuel is just under 40% of total airline costs today. Tripling the cost of the fuel would only increase total costs by 80% -- if everything else remained the same. And, of course, there would be a great many adjustments to the new reality: fewer flights with fewer empty seats; faster transition to modern fuel-efficient aircraft; etc.
14 posted on 04/17/2006 1:52:36 PM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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The law of supply and demand will continue to function, so long as the government lets it.

If the price of gasoline rises we will each make our individual decisions how to cope with it. Those decisions will add up to a far better set of outcomes than anything government action could provide.


16 posted on 04/17/2006 1:53:53 PM PDT by lfod1776
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I hope everyone is ready for the shitty economy that is getting ready to come up. Our economy can not sustain this level of energy prices.

Of course the paid off bastards in our House and Senate could give a flip. Ie: No drilling for oil, no incentive for R and D for Alternative fuels etc. Bought and paid for by the energy companies.

17 posted on 04/17/2006 2:03:35 PM PDT by JackDanielsOldNo7 (If it wasn't for marriage, I would not have this screenname.)
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Will America Face an Oil Crisis Soon?

Gawd, I hope so. Otherwise all this gloom and doom handwringing and whining will be for naught. All it takes is one mullah farting to goose up the price of oil these days. Sheesh.

18 posted on 04/17/2006 2:04:34 PM PDT by manic4organic (We won. Get over it.)
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AND.....if they quit all the SPECIAL configurations for gasoline for different areas......gas would be a lot cheaper.....sheesh....it's like ordering a cup of coffee vs a double tall, soy mocha with half the chocolate....the second COSTS LOTS MORE cause it's a SPECIAL ORDER!


19 posted on 04/17/2006 2:05:12 PM PDT by goodnesswins ( "the left can only take power through deception." (and it seems Hillary & Company are the masters)
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Yes, the crisis will be soon.

Guess who's fault it will be?

GWB, as usual!!!

The DEMONCRATS will use that to their advantage even though they continually sabotage reasonable alternatives.

Demoncrats are anti-American.
21 posted on 04/17/2006 2:10:54 PM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God) !)
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Oil prices will continue to rise as long as speculation drives prices. Speculation is built into the oil supply system. [Learn more?] Shale oil and development of tar sands in Canada are examples of 'pie in the sky' dreaming. U.S. oil companies do not spend money developing new resources. Not while companies are granting retiring executives $ 400 million golden parachutes. The truth is Americans are addicted to gas guzzling SUV's and expensive automobiles getting low mileage. Why drive a Toyota today? Especially when your neighbor has a new Cadillac? Toyotas do not impress anybody. Yada, yada, yada.
26 posted on 04/17/2006 2:36:47 PM PDT by ex-Texan (Matthew 7:1 through 6)
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It is a phenomenon known as "peak oil." The idea is that oil is a finite resource.

You can make oil out of turkey guts. So much for the "finite resource" idea.

27 posted on 04/17/2006 2:37:40 PM PDT by randog (What the...?!)
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This is old news.

Six months ago world news was full of this stuff. Then the Saudis announced they were ramping up production and pressures eased for other reasons. Well, the Saudis haven't been able to deliver - not even the heavy, sour stuff let alone light, sweet crude. Meanwhile demand has continued to increase so here we are with $71 a barrel oil and no relief in sight.

What's likely to happen? The worst.

First, the failures of major industries highly sensitive to energy prices; airlines, major auto manufacturers, tourism.

Second, failure of secondary industries as disposable income disappears in the face of rising food prices and loss of jobs.

Third, general economic collapse.

Fourth. War.

...This scenario doesn't consider massive climate change (man-made or natural) which seems imminent.

How likely are we to be insulated from the worst of it? I don't know.

34 posted on 04/17/2006 3:06:28 PM PDT by liberallarry
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We have more oil than France, Germany, Spain, Italy, Japan, China ... and have more money to buy it with.
36 posted on 04/17/2006 3:19:14 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Proud soldier in the American Army of Occupation..)
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The article misses the main point. The theory should not be known as Peak Oil but Peak Easy Oil. The peak is not yet here, but could arrive within a decade no matter what, or tomorrow if war breaks out. When it does, easy oil will be past and any alternative is more expensive, be it coal, nuclear, solar, or tar sands. Nothing is so cheap to produce as Saudi oil. The next basis of the economy will cost much more than easy oil, and the whole economy will be injured disproportionately.


39 posted on 04/17/2006 3:28:52 PM PDT by RightWhale (Off touch and out of base)
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I think in the next few years Peak Oil will be the least of our worries.


50 posted on 04/17/2006 4:09:32 PM PDT by dljordan
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