Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

To: Fedora; piasa; Howlin; ravingnutter; Lancey Howard; Peach; nopardons; Buckhead; Marine_Uncle; ...

URGENT - FREEPER RESEARCHERS NEEDED!! This could be a key to finally breaking open this sordid case. I'm parking these links (at bottom) here for the moment until I have time to research these matters further - but for anyone who has some time, here's a name that is emerging in a HUGE way as a major player in the cesspool inhabited by Joe Wilson and friends:

MARC GROSSMAN!!!

MARC GROSSMAN, the Clinton administration's AMBASSADOR TO TURKEY, was a college classmate of Joe Wilson, served as #2 in our Turkish embassy during the first Gulf War (when Joe Wilson had been in the corresponding position in the neighboring US embassy in Baghdad). There are all sorts of quotes and indications that Grossman has acted ala Larry Johnson behind the scenes with the media, feeding them (highly biased) info quotes to advance Joe Wilson's spin.

Further, Marc Grossman went on to be a senior State Dept. official under Powell and Armitage (advancing to the top of the career foreign service ladder), and is reportedly a KEY WITNESS for Fitzgerald claiming he told Scooter Libby the name of Valerie Pflame.

Remember, this multi-year assault on the WH by Joe Wilson and pals has been all about trying to stop the "Bush Doctrine" in its tracks and force US policy in the Middle East back onto a liberal Clintonite track. All the particulars about Valerie Pflame, etc. are overshadowed by the immense effort behind the scenes and in the media to try to stop Bush from pursuing a policy framework which is unpopular with Arab/Islami governments, the political left, and most of all our own State/CIA liberal bureaucrats.

Marc Grossman may turn out to be the Rosetta Stone that allows us to decipher many separate activities, articles, quotations, etc.

Yes, folks, we have a possible (likely) close crony of Joe Wilson emerging as a high State Dept. official (now retired) who very likely orchestrated a good part of this scam and may even be one of the main people trying to smear Libby (oh, I mean cooperate with the prosecutor, of course).


http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/1640


http://justoneminute.typepad.com/main/2006/04/widen_the_net.html#comment-16251709

Hate to link the lefty loons at Truthout, but this may actually be a very valuable article for reasons unintended or unforseen by the author:

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/041406A.shtml


51 posted on 04/18/2006 12:08:08 PM PDT by Enchante (Democrats: "We are ALL broken and worn out, our party & ideas, what else is new?")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 37 | View Replies ]


To: Enchante

To all: here are just a couple of the items that the blogger "Aj Strata" has come up with (Marc Grossman has all sorts of points of connection with both Joe Wilson and Rand Beers - remember that Beers headed the foreign policy team for the Kerry campaign and thus was in line for a major FP role in any Kerry administration):

http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/1640




Update: Anyone going to be shocked if Grossman knows Rand Beers, the other Kerry campaign worker to know Joe Wilson and his wife! They have travelled together (here), and worked together (here and here), and get quoted together in the same story (opposite sides, here). Why am I not surprised, they both worked for or around State. Is this damniing? Not on its face.

Update: Reading the rantings of Marc Grossman in this latest Leapold piece I think we have found our man. The guy is as obsessed and emotional as Larry Johnson and the VIPS loons. He probably was part of the effort to get back at Bush. It is quite likely he knew the Wilsons and knew of Val’s position. Wilson called friends in State to discuss how to deal with the SOTU. Grossman echoes Wilsons rants line for line. We may have the conspirators who tried to play a sad hoax on the American people throug a compliant and easily fooled media. Read Grossman’s comments and tell me the guy is ‘objective’!


52 posted on 04/18/2006 12:14:13 PM PDT by Enchante (Democrats: "We are ALL broken and worn out, our party & ideas, what else is new?")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 51 | View Replies ]

To: Enchante; kcvl; ravingnutter

See #51, please.


53 posted on 04/18/2006 12:17:36 PM PDT by Howlin
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 51 | View Replies ]

To: Enchante

http://www.state.gov/cms_images/grossman_marc.gif


BIOGRAPHY

Marc Grossman
Under Secretary, Political Affairs
Term of Appointment: 03/26/2001 to 02/25/2005

Marc Grossman was confirmed by the U.S. Senate on March 23, 2001 and sworn in as Under Secretary for Political Affairs on March 26, 2001.

Ambassador Grossman has been a career Foreign Service Officer since 1976. He was Director General of the Foreign Service and Director of Human Resources, from June 2000 to February 2001, and Assistant Secretary of State for European Affairs, from August 1997 to May 2000. From November 1994 to June 1997, he served as U.S. Ambassador to Turkey. Prior to this, from January 1993 to September 1994, he was Special Assistant to the Secretary of State and Executive Secretary of the Department of State.

Before assuming these duties, Ambassador Grossman served as Principal Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for Political Military Affairs. He was Executive Assistant to Deputy Secretary of State John C. Whitehead, from September 1986 to January 1989.

From 1984 to 1986, Ambassador Grossman was the Deputy Director of the Private Office of Lord Carrington, then Secretary General of NATO.

Other overseas assignments include tours as a political officer at the U.S Mission to NATO and in Islamabad. In Washington, DC he also has served as Deputy Special Adviser to President Carter and in several capacities for the Bureau of Near Eastern and South Asian Affairs.

Ambassador Grossman earned a B.A. from the University of California, Santa Barbara and an MSc. in International Relations from the London School of Economics and Political Science.


60 posted on 04/18/2006 5:04:01 PM PDT by kcvl
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 51 | View Replies ]

To: Enchante
played a peripheral role in the Plame Affair.

On 10 June 2003, an analyst at the State Department's Bureau of Intelligence and Research (INR) sent a memo to Ambassador Grossman outlining Ambassador Joseph Wilson's trip to Niger and mentioning that Wilson's wife worked at the CIA. Reportedly, Grossman wanted the memo as background to use at a White House meeting on criticism of President Bush for using the Niger claim in his State of the Union speech.

According to the Washington Post, Grossman has refused to answer questions about the memo. The Post says it is not clear if Grossman actually talked about the memo or mentioned Mrs. Wilson at the meeting.[1]

On 6 July 2003, Richard Armitage asked the head of INR, Carl Ford, to send a copy of the memo to Colin Powell aboard Air Force One.

In Patrick Fitzgerald's indictment of I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby on October 28, 2005, Grossman is the Under Secretary of State mentioned as giving information about Plame to Libby.

61 posted on 04/18/2006 5:06:53 PM PDT by kcvl
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 51 | View Replies ]

To: Enchante

October 28, 2005
Under Secretary of State : Marc Grossman?

Via Kevin Drum, Ryan Lizza of the New Republic says that the Under Secretary of State who told Libby that Joseph Wilson's wife worked for the CIA is Marc Grossman. Lizza says he confirmed this with Fitzgerald's spokesman today.

The Indictment says that the Under Secretary of State told Libby this on June 11 or 12, 2003. It was Grossman who asked for the infamous June 9th State Department memo.



http://tinyurl.com/oraqb


62 posted on 04/18/2006 5:11:18 PM PDT by kcvl
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 51 | View Replies ]

To: Enchante

Although Grossman "has not been as high profile in the press" FBI whistleblower Sibel Edmonds cryptically told me the other day, "don't overlook him – he is very important."

She was not speaking about the Plame affair, though Grossman did indeed have a key role there, as we will see. According to her, Grossman was one of three officials – the other two, she says, are Richard Perle and Douglas Feith – who had been watched by both Valerie Plame's Brewster Jennings & Associates CIA team, and by the major FBI investigation of organized crime and governmental corruption on which she herself was working until being terminated in April 2002.


snip


Grossman's professional ties with Pakistan apparently long outlived his nine-year tenure there. The Guardian, among others, mentioned the fact that in the days immediately preceding Sept. 11, 2001, Pakistani ISI chief Gen. Mahmoud Ahmed – financier of 9/11 hijacker Mohammed Atta – paid a visit to senior administration officials, including Grossman, then undersecretary of state for political affairs.

A Pakistani article published on Sept. 10, 2001, claimed that Ahmed's

"most important meeting was with Mark Grossman, U.S. undersecretary of state for political affairs.



snip


Interestingly enough, at the same time Feith and Perle were greasing Turkish palms and Grossman was presiding over in Ankara, the CIA's Brewster-Jennings network and Valerie Plame were focusing on nuclear proliferation in Turkey. This scrutiny led them to trace private citizens in America as well as lobby groups like the American-Turkish Council – which is precisely where Plame met future husband Joseph Wilson, while "on duty" at a 1997 reception held by then-Turkish ambassador to the U.S. Nuzhet Kandemir.


http://tinyurl.com/lq8du


63 posted on 04/18/2006 5:19:46 PM PDT by kcvl
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 51 | View Replies ]

To: Enchante

Appreciate the ping. I am going through all you folks are posting as well as some of the URL links. Perhaps the bottom will fall out of the federal investigation and purgery charges dropped, and Scotter free to go his way. This stuff is so intricate. I applaud you all for finding the resources to continue bring out new information in this charade. It may end up backfiring on the perpetrators in due time. Sure sounds like this Grossman is one of the underlining culprits.


64 posted on 04/18/2006 5:50:14 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 51 | View Replies ]

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article


FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson