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To: BagCamAddict

Since you don't have such a quote in your comment as being from me, then it is safe to assume that you knew I didn't say "she deserved it."

No American wearing "I hate Mohommed" buttons in Baghdad should be harmed, either.

But, if they are harmed one can certainly question their judgment in going to Baghdad to wear "I hate Mohammed" buttons.

A woman walking naked through Central Park at midnight shouldn't be raped, but if she does so and she is raped, the best I could muster for her would be: "It was really bright to walk naked through Central Park at midnight." And it wasn't.

A woman stripping in front of a bunch of drunk college males is a naked lady in the midst of a bunch of drunk college males.

I'd tell my own daughter that that isn't the brightest decision she could make.

Are you telling me it's a great decision?


125 posted on 04/17/2006 10:58:28 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It. Supporting our Troops Means Praying for them to Win!)
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To: xzins
I'm saying that a woman agreeing to dance naked for money is agreeing to dance naked for money -- not agreeing to be raped. She made a contract for a specific scope of work, completed her contract for that work, and should be paid for that work.

You said "Sorry, but there's a huge difference between the "I was dancing naked in front of a stag party" rape and the type where someone is overpowered by in a brutal assault."

You are implying that every human male is capable of committing rape when presented with a naked or enticing female. Perhaps that's not what you mean, but that's the implication of that type of statement.

To me, rape is rape. There is no "huge" difference in rape. The only "huge" difference is in how the rape is committed. Drugging a woman and raping her, or beating her up and raping her, or threatening her with a knife and raping her, or threatening her with only words ("I'll kill your daughter if you move or make one sound") to rape her with no physical damage... it's all rape. You said there is a huge difference in the type of rape. You implied that you would have less sympathy, and you could understand how it would happen, and the victim would be partially to BLAME for the rape if she (fill in the blank: dressed provocatively, stripped at a stag party, walked naked through Central Park, etc.).

Rape is not the same thing as a human walking into a Lion's Den covered in fresh blood and expecting not to have a bite taken out of them. If it was, then that implies that every male who has ever been to a stag party with a stripper has the potential to rape the stripper -- and that is just not true.

Rape is done by bad men, not by normal men. If a normal man saw a woman walking naked through Central Park, I'm sure his first instinct would be arousal, and his second instinct would be to say "Are you OK Miss? Are you cold? Can I offer you my coat?" ... Not to rape her while saying "Scream and I'll kill you."

126 posted on 04/17/2006 11:42:14 AM PDT by BagCamAddict (Prayers for the victims - human and animal - of Katrina and Rita)
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To: xzins

And no, I'm not telling you it's a great decision. It's a horrible decision. But not because of the potential for rape -- but because it's degrading to women. The worse decision, in my opinion, was to be on drugs/drunk while she was stripping. She is far more likely to do something she shouldn't do (have sex with strangers) when her judgement is impaired by drugs/alcohol than she would with a clear head. Stripping doesn't guarantee having sex with multiple partners (although statistically it is highly likely). But combine stripping, drugs, and lots of alcohol ("passed out drunk")... and you raise the odds that she did things none of us want our daughters to do.


127 posted on 04/17/2006 11:50:25 AM PDT by BagCamAddict (Prayers for the victims - human and animal - of Katrina and Rita)
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