[Liberal Classic]

Your picture is pretty yet it is way out of proportion, that angle is way to big. Makes it look close. The lines if drawn in perspective would be almost indistinguishable. The circle could not be measured in one night. The numbers all work I do know trig. I was top in my class.

The circle could be measured in one night. The key piece of information is knowing the time between the initial explosion of the star and the illumination of the rings around it. Supernova 1987A was studied for years after the event. About eight months after we detected the nova, the rings became visible. We know the speed of light by independent analysis. Knowing how far the rings are from the star gives us the radius of the circle. The rest is trigonometry.

You precieve a old universe because the visible phenoma appear to have happened billions or millions of years ago.

Every science man has devised supports the notion of an old earth. If you reject the age of the earth, you're not just rejecting evolution -- you are utterly rejecting all of modern science.

[Creationist]

Every science man has devised supports the notion of an old earth. If you reject the age of the earth, you're not just rejecting evolution -- you are utterly rejecting all of modern science.

So those who believe in Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior and are men of the physical sciences are not valid because their beliefs are contrary to those who wish the universe to be old. You speak for them to ?