Christians are not against science.
Of course not. You, however, are against science.
Chemical reactions are real, biology is real, physics is real, ECT, all observable and testable. Evolution is not real, not observable and testable.
This is where you're wrong. Evolution is real, observable, and testable. This argument may have held sway with layman as recently as ten years ago, but it shouldn't any longer. Today this claim has been totally invalidated by the study of comparative genomics. Using modern DNA sequencing technology, it is possible to sequence genomes in much less time than it used to take. Mammalian genomes used to take years, now they take months. The time it takes to sequence bacterial genomes is now measured in hours. This means that we can view evolution in action in simple organisms, such as bacteria, in near real time. In this way, evolution has moved from the theoretical to the emprircal.
We can directly measure the occurances and frequencies of certain patterns of genes as they change in populations of organisms over time. This is the very definition of evolution. Just as a geologist can look at a riverbank and measure erosion, a molecular biologist can look at a genome and measure evolution. A geologist may make predictions that given a certain amount of rain, a certain amount of riverbank will be washed away. Likewise, a biologist may make predictions that given a certain number of generations, a certain genetic marker may have spread through a certain percent of a population. Using stratigraphy, a geology may estimate where a river once flowed long ago. By comparing genetic markers in different organisms, a biologist may estimate how long ago a common ancester may have lived. Adaption and variation are part of evolutionary theory just as erosion and subduction are part of plate tectonic theory. Like geology, evolutionary theory has practical applications in science and engineering. Micropaleontology, or the study of ancient microscopic fossils, is an important part of modern oil exploration. Paleontology rests firmly upon evolutionary theory. If the theory of evolution is a lie, then so is physics, astronomy, biology, and geology. One cannot escape the fact that evolutionary theory is an integral part of science.
You proselytize your religious belief...
No, I am not proselytizing. You are spreading falsehoods about science and scientists. I feel compelled to respond to your omissions, distortions, and insults.
You're wrong another way, too. Christians are not against science. Evolutionary theory is science. Therefore, Christians are not against evolutionary theory. You are painting a false choice, an either/or question that one stands either with evolution or with the Lord. This is the classic fallacy of the excluded middle. There are more Christians and Jews who accept evolutionary theory as science than those who don't.
Here's an excerpt from an essay by someone named Francis Collins. Dr. Collins is a biochemist who works for the National Institiute of Heath, and is the director of the national Human Genome Project. He's also a devout man who has this to say about the conflict between faith and science:
Why is the conflict then perceived to be so severe? Science and Christianity do not have a pretty history. Certainly conflicts tend to arise when science tries to comment on the supernatural -- usually to say it does not exist -- or when Christians attempt to read the Bible as a science textbook. Here I find it useful to recall that this is not a new debate, and I often refer back to the wisdom of St. Augustine. Augustine in 400 AD had no reason to be apologetic about Genesis, because Darwin had not come along. Augustine was blessed with the ability to look at Gen. 1:1 without having to fit it into some sort of scientific discovery of the day. Yet, if you read Augustin's interpretation of Gen. 1:1, it is a lot like mine. In fact, Augustine makes the point how dangerous it is for us to take the Bible and try to turn it into a science text. He wrote:
These are very strong and effective words. But the past century has not been a good one in terms of the polarization between the more evangelical wing of the church and the scientific community. We seem to be engaged in contentious, destructive, and wholly unnecessary debate about evolution and creation. From my perspective as a scientist working on the genome, the evidence in favor of evolution is overwhelming.
What are the arguments in favor of evolution? Let me quickly describe two arguments. (1) The fossil record. Macroevolution has growing and compelling evidence to support it. Elephants, turtles, whales, birds often have been cited as species where transitional species have not been identified. That is no longer true. We have gained more in the fossil record in the last ten years than in almost the entire previous history of science. (2) The DNA evidence for evolution. I mentioned the ancient repeats we share with mice in the same location showing no conceivable evidence of function, diverging at a constant rate just as predicted by neutral evolution. One could only conclude that this is compelling evidence of a common ancestor or else that God has placed these functionless DNA fossils in the genome of all living organisms in order to test our faith. I do not find that second alternative very credible. After all God is the greatest scientist. Would he play this kind of game?
Arguments against macroevolution, based on so-called gaps in the fossil records, are also profoundly weakened by the much more detailed and digital information revealed from the study of genomes. Outside of a time machine, Darwin could hardly have imagined a more powerful data set than comparative genomics to confirm his theory.
So what are the objections then to evolution? Well, obviously, the major objection in many Christians' minds is that it is not consistent with Genesis. I find Gen. 1:1-2:4 powerful, but admittedly complex and at times difficult to understand with its seemingly two different versions of the creation of humans. Problematically, a literal translation of Gen. 1:1-2:4 brings one in direct conflict with the fundamental conclusions of geology, cosmology, and biology.
Professor Darrel Falk has recently pointed out that one should not take the view that young-earth creationism is simply tinkering around the edges of science. If the tenets of young earth creationism were true, basically all of the sciences of geology, cosmology, and biology would utterly collapse. It would be the same as saying 2 plus 2 is actually 5. The tragedy of young-earth creationism is that it takes a relatively recent and extreme view of Genesis, applies to it an unjustified scientific gloss, and then asks sincere and well-meaning seekers to swallow this whole, despite the massive discordance with decades of scientific evidence from multiple disciplines. Is it any wonder that many sadly turn away from faith concluding that they cannot believe in a God who asks for an abandonment of logic and reason? Again from Augustine:
Again, written over 1600 years ago but right on target today!
Then why the protestations of Christians on this thread against science.?
Evolution is not real, not observable and testable. Adaptation and variation are not evolution.
Evolution is a fact, I observe it every day, and it is testable. Darwin did not use the term evolution. He the terms slight change and difference. Evolution is a new term to include both. The most accepted definition of evolution below;
In the life sciences, evolution is a change in the traits of living organisms over generations, whether by reproduction or nature and including the emergence of new species. Since the development of modern genetics in the 1940s, evolution has been defined more specifically as a change in the frequency of alleles in a population from one generation to the next .In other fields evolution is used more generally to refer to any process of change over time.
Adaptation and variation are changes and evolution whether you accept the definition or not.
Evolution can be observed as a fact in the human population. 6.7 billion people and no two are exactly the same but changed and different by reproduction. No clones have been observed.
It is testable. Get a picture of your ancestors and stand in front of a mirror. If you can observe any change or differences, no matter how small some evolution has occurred. If you can observe no change or difference then no evolution has occurred and you are clone. Differences are not possible without some method of evolution as evolution is defined. Suggest you take some science or read Darwin as to the definition of change difference and evolution.
You believe that I should and it is not in the Constitution pay for public schools and the lies of evolution.
It is not in the constitution that we should either have or not have public schools supported by taxes. However it is in the constitution that congress has the right to make, determine, and enforce laws and support them with taxes. Congress passed a law concerning public education and supported it with taxes. States also have the same right concerning schools.
One of the beliefs in the communist manifesto is public schools. Adolf Hitler raised up a generation of Nazi's through public schools.
Adolf Hitler was a Christian and most of Germany was Christian including Christian schools.
I am not for the government enforcing my belief or you evolutionist beliefs upon anyone.
Yes you are , you want evolution out of schools, and some want faith and belief of ID and creation taught as science. Evolution is a fact observed by science. Religion is a faith and belief and has presented no new facts or knowledge in thousands of years.
You proselytize your religious belief in a system of random mutations upon everyone who reads this, the Government is allowing you to do it. Yet you who fought for my right deny me the gift of freedom to speak, and fight for the right of my God to herd in a public forum and at public schools.
I neither accept or deny any religious faith and belief by argument of philosophy including atheism or any other argued philosophy. They remain unknown!!!! Nobody has denied you the right of freedom or speech. You had the freedom to send your post. You also had the right to accept or refuse knowledge and the choice that one makes affects their credibility. You also have the right to go to any school board and request your beliefs be taught in school and you can vote for your school board member. That doesn't mean you can make them believe as you do nor does it mean that you or them can violate the law. As to a public forum this is a public forum and all you have talked about is your GOD.
Typing too fast, or did Freud rear his ugly head?