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BP, fort: County seeing fewer illegal crossers
Sierra Vista Herald, Sierra Vista Arizona ^ | Bill Hess

Posted on 04/16/2006 7:53:26 AM PDT by SandRat

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To: HiJinx

Your post is out of context. Most of the numbers given in the article show small to huge reductions depending on the area.

Your smug attitude is also in need of a readjustment.


21 posted on 04/16/2006 7:30:37 PM PDT by staytrue
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To: staytrue

Out of context? Your post at #4 looks to me like an effort to tell another FReeper to get over it, you can't have what you want, so just live with it.

You say "Fewer is good."

I agree, but the 'fewer' I cited to you is statistically irrelevant. And the numbers show the reality in the Tucson Sector. Bill is reporting several sets of numbers published by Commander Nicely's office - by Border Patrol Station, and by Sector. What matters are the sector numbers. Those are all apprehensions of illegals from the Arizona/New Mexico border to a point just this side of Yuma.

And those numbers, staytrue, are the ones that count. And you can do the math...the reduction from last year to this year is about 8 people per day for the month of March.

But here's something else that may be more relevant to the discussion. The numbers that aren't reported are those who made it past the Border Patrol. Their official estimate is that they catch 1 in 3 who try to cross into the United States. Line officers estimate that their success rate for apprehensions is more like one in five to one in eight. And who are those 4,000/night in March of '06 who made it across? Nobody knows. We do know that terrorist sympathizers and financiers have made it across, they've been caught and tried. I wonder how many?

Smug? Not bloody likely. Scared half to death is more like it. Tell ya what, why don't you come down here and live with me for awhile? That way, I can show you first hand exactly what it is we're dealing with here on the border.


22 posted on 04/16/2006 8:02:04 PM PDT by HiJinx (Secure Our Borders ~ Now.)
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To: HiJinx
The reduction is about 7 percent sectorwide...

Stevens said that since Oct. 1, 2005, through the end of last month 207,869 illegal immigrants were apprehended in the sector, compared to 222,795 for the same six-month period in the previous federal fiscal year.

like I said before, your quote is out of context.

23 posted on 04/16/2006 8:41:29 PM PDT by staytrue
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To: staytrue

And your comments leads people to wonder if you are more concerned about the the perpetuity of this Administration's agenda than that of America's continued well being. But please, keep digging.


24 posted on 04/16/2006 8:46:18 PM PDT by NewRomeTacitus
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To: staytrue

Using the quote you pulled from the article, we are seeing 34,644 per month cross the border so far this fiscal year.

If fewer is good, as you said, then 1117 per day is well within your acceptable standards.

Thanks, but no thanks. I don't care how you try to spin it, this article tells me we're in trouble. And nothing you say is going to change my mind, or the mind of anyone else who has their eyes open to this mess.


25 posted on 04/16/2006 8:52:47 PM PDT by HiJinx (Secure Our Borders ~ Now.)
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To: cripplecreek
As you look at these numbers one must ponder what would happen if these thousands of illegals would suddenly turn on us. I wonder who is left in Mexico?

I live close to the Texas boarder where you can drive on certain hwys. and watch the "rides" picking them up, fifteen at a time and stuffing them in small vans and cars.

There were ten right in the back of my house waiting for their "ride"in the broad daylight. After all what can happen to them? (Nothing)
26 posted on 04/16/2006 9:03:10 PM PDT by Faith-Hope
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To: Moonman62

You are right that we really need a major fence/barrier on the border. I have seen an increase in illegal traffic across the border in my area as BP enforcement or Minutemen are concentrated in other areas. I always chuckle when someone says we only need to build a fence in the high traffic areas, not sure why it doesn't occur to people that traffic would just go around the fence and through the open areas making them high traffic areas.

I am all for a fence, and would support even sections for now. I think after pieces are built it will become clear that the entire border needs a fence.


27 posted on 04/16/2006 10:28:22 PM PDT by Tammy8 (Build a Real Border Fence, and enforce Immigration Laws!!!)
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To: KittyKares

I have seen illegal traffic increase in my area too, I think it is due to the politicians and others promoting amnesty, and increased enforcement in certain areas as well as the Minutemen.

I just don't believe there are fewer crossers, someone is playing a game of some sort with the numbers. Maybe the BP is catching fewer for what ever reason, that sure doesn't mean there are fewer.


28 posted on 04/16/2006 10:32:39 PM PDT by Tammy8 (Build a Real Border Fence, and enforce Immigration Laws!!!)
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To: Tammy8; KittyKares
Maybe the BP is catching fewer for what ever reason, that sure doesn't mean there are fewer.

Tammy, I get the impression that you're a country girl. Are there any mountain lions in your neck of the woods? If so, have you ever seen one? And if you haven't seen one, how do you know it's there?

I read that little exercise in rhetoric and common sense 15 years ago, and I bring it out ever so often to remind people to apply a little common sense when they're trying to figure something out.

I suspect you're right...just as increased enforcement pushed illegals east from San Diego, so it has now pushed them east from Cochise County.

29 posted on 04/16/2006 10:39:22 PM PDT by HiJinx (Secure Our Borders ~ Now.)
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To: HiJinx; KittyKares

Just found this article about other sectors increase, just shows what pressure does in one area of the border, just pushes traffic to another area.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/metro/20060415-9999-1n15surge.html


30 posted on 04/16/2006 10:52:12 PM PDT by Tammy8 (Build a Real Border Fence, and enforce Immigration Laws!!!)
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To: HiJinx
Yes I am a country girl, and there are quite a few mountain lions in this area. In my lifetime I have seen just 2 in the wild. One during a range fire, and one crossing the road just before daylight. I have seen several that hunters have taken with hounds. Even when I don't see them, I know they are here, because of tracks, and kills they leave behind.

I do see many illegals with my own eyes, but I see sign of many, many more. Crime, tracks, and trash. Illegal traffic has one thing in common with mountain lions, both are nocturnal so seeing them in the daytime is a sure sign of overpopulation in either specie.
31 posted on 04/16/2006 11:04:35 PM PDT by Tammy8 (Build a Real Border Fence, and enforce Immigration Laws!!!)
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To: Tammy8

Truer words were never spoken - overpopulation, indeed!


32 posted on 04/16/2006 11:05:59 PM PDT by HiJinx (Secure Our Borders ~ Now.)
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To: Tammy8

My state has jumped up horribly! It's depressing.


33 posted on 04/18/2006 7:07:46 AM PDT by KittyKares
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