Jerry Falwell: Ex-'gays': Ignored and discounted

I think these guys are mostly attracted to themselves. The guys they hang out with are mirror reflects of themselves, and their sexual activity simply mutual masturbation.

Homosexuality is a natural phenomenon, and one can treat it that way. But so is murder.

The idea that people are "born gay" is one of the LOONIEST commonly-accepted ideas in history. Can you imagine 10 babies in the newborn nursery: "These 7 are hetero, these two are homo, and this one is bi." How ridiculous!

I couldn't believe it--must have been about 8 or 10 years ago--when the homosexual activists started attacking the former homosexuals and saying it was impossible to change one's orientation. And the people they were addressing were absolute proof positive that they were wrong!

What the ex-gays need is their own awards show like the still-being-gays do. If they created their own lobby and figured some kind of special 'rights' that they are being deprived of, they could get themselves on TV and become a certified victim group just like GLAAD.

I disagree with you and SPYDER. I have seen miraculous changes in people who come to Christ. It's hard work to maintain an inner discipline but then are we not different than animals? Every single lustful drive we have does not need to be indulged. Sexual orientation is only one among many.

It sounds to me like you are describing a repressed homosexual rather than a heterosexual. Of course we all have to control our sexual urges at times, but if your urges are telling you to be a butt pirate then you're not straight whether you control them or not.

But when former homosexuals are depicted on the networks, they are typically unhappy or anxious to return to their former lives. On NBC's "Law and Order: SVU," an ex-gay man returns to his former lifestyles but murders another gay man to hide his backslide. On NBC's "Will & Grace," a meeting of former homosexuals ends with everyone present running off with a same-sex member of the group.

This sounds a lot like drug addicts relapsing. Definition of addiction: Continuing the activity despite the consequences.

Maybe "addiction" is the right analogy. What's the other phriase, like a dog returning to it vomit. We humans tend to be like that, too.

AFAIK, he was only gay when he first showed up as a freshman. Once he hooked up with the cute gal, I never heard of him going back to dudes. I have to say though, one has to have some sort of proclivity to the gay lifestyle in order to even dabble in it.

Those of us who were straight in the dept. knew we only liked girls, and were never confused like some guys. Whenever we straight guys heard a new guy say he "wasn't sure whether he was straight or gay", we'd always say "well, if you're not sure, we're sure: you're gay."

I only mentioned this one guy as the only example I could think of concerning one who'd left gaydom and never looked back. At least he's the only one I ever knew. I did know other guys in my theatre days who were definitely bi, though.

God does NOT make homosexual behavior. He just doesn't. God made human beings, with free will. He did not create images in the mind of perversion. Those come from outside sources.

I have known men hooked on porn, and they confided it was almost as hard not to view it as it is not to drink or smoke. (they did drink, and smoke) Point being, once elicit images are introduced and become habit, it's very hard to change the behavior.

Same is true to a greater degree with homosexuals. Had they been left alone, they would have eventually found an opposite sex partner, instead of being spotted as a homosexual (shy, awkward, what have you) and introduced to the lifestyle.

Homosexual behavior is not a normal human function. Not only is it uncivilized by societies standards, it is inhuman. That's just the facts! God has nothing to do with people who steal, murder, pick their noses, bit their toenails, find animals attractive sexually, or display homosexual behavior. All the afore mentioned are behaviors. The latter two, perversions.

There is no such thing as bi sexual, all that means is someone who is so deep into perversion, that anything, probably including a hole in a tree, will do. That person isn't fussy, anyone, anytime.

Pretty good trick, being able to diagnose and sort people you have never met. You have no idea what makes someone gay, but you are certain that a person must always be that way.

I have a much more rational alternate hypothesis, one that is logical rather than assertive. Men have to overcome great stigma to be "gay", so having done so it's hard for them to then "undo" that choice, since it would simply suggest that they pain the went through was unnecessary.

But women, for whom the stigma is almost nonexistant, switch back and forth all the time -- it's almost like sex is simply something they can experience, and love is just the closest relationship they have at the moment.

But to keep the fiction, we simply designate these women as "bisexual", as if there are even MORE ways to pre-ordain what people will do in their lives.

And even if I were to by the likely fiction that being gay, or bi, or hetero, is all some strange genetic predestination (a thought clearly contradicted by twins studies), I would certainly believe that accepting Jesus as Lord could change that, just as it changes so many things.

A person predisposed to murder can be freed by a relationship with God. Paul was freed from his desire to persecute christians by his relationship with God. Surely God can heal a person living in sexual sin, whether that sin be adultery, pedophilia, or homosexuality.

If I were an ex-gay, I would probably be pretty sensitive about people who don't know me, and have no idea what they are talking about, claiming that I must not have been gay, or that I am just fooling people now, or that I must actually be bisexual. And if people were posting (as they have here) that I was a threat to all women, I think I might be led to complain about the personal ignorant attacks.

Just thought you might take the opportunity to see this from a different perspective.

Correction:

God has nothing to do with the making of people who steal, murder, pick their noses, bit their toenails, find animals attractive sexually, or display homosexual behavior. All the afore mentioned are behaviors. The latter two, perversions.

So who made them? I can bet you that everyone who is reading these posts has stolen something in their life time...be it something big or as small as a paper clip from work. Stealing is stealing no matter how much the thing is worth that you are pilfering. God makes people...it is his business so to speak...what we do when we are here is our choice. To say God didn't have a hand in the creation of "us sinners" is ridiculous...we all are sinners..everyone of us...each one created by Him and given free choice. He knew from the beginning that Adam would fall...he knew from the beginning each and every sin you or I will commit in our life time...yet he still gave each of us life...he still gave each of us choice. and he gave each of us a chance at gaining salvation through the sacrifice of Jesus Christ. AMAZING...isn't He?

Your analysis makes sense on all points.

Perfect thread for the following comments:

There is no genetic test or procedure (experimental or otherwise) that can determine one's sexual orientation. When people claim to be gay and we believe them, what we're really doing is taking them at their word. We believe their claim, we believe their testimony and we believe their declaration that they are gay.

But there are some people who are suddenly skeptical when one claims to be ex-gay. They don't believe the ex-gay claim, they don't believe the ex-gay testimony nor their declaration that they are ex-gay.

When somebody uses a certain standard to measure the credibility of what one group says, but then refuses to use the same standard to measure the credibility of what another group says--thereby ignoring the claims of the second group (ex-gays)--he should ask himself why he believes one group and not the other... This is a double standard.

Is it hypocritical to believe gays, pedophiles, etc. can be transformed of God, but not want to marry a former (fill in the blank)?

I encourage everyone who already hasn't to check out the I Do Exist video. After watching the video, Ryan Zempel made the following observation in It really is elementary: Ex-gays exist:

A 22-year-old man stands before a classroom of middle schoolers, describing how he came out as a homosexual and going so far as to declare, "there are gay students in this classroom."
The young man is Noé Gutierrez, Jr., and the scene is one from It's Elementary, an award-winning 1996 video (widely aired in 1999) which aims to give "practical lessons on how to talk with kids about gay people."
You won't find that scene in Gutierrez's latest video, however. Although he requested permission to use it, producer/director Debra Chasnoff turned him down. Apparently, she doesn't want school children knowing what's happened since then.
You see, Gutierrez is no longer gay.

If you're not sure where you stand on this issue, you may find this of interest: Dr. Robert Spitzer Interviewed In 'Christianity Today' Magazine. Read that very carefully. Take special note of who Dr. Spitzer is, what he used to think and what he thinks and says now.

Now couple the above with the very important results of the Twins Studies, a summary of what science has stated and the extremely important growing number of ex-gays. After reading the above links you should have a better understanding of the issues.

"If I were an ex-gay, I would probably be pretty sensitive about people who don't know me, and have no idea what they are talking about, claiming that I must not have been gay, or that I am just fooling people now, or that I must actually be bisexual"

you could be sensitive about and i would certainly be polite about but if asked I express my opinion that it not possible to ever want to sleep with another man without being either gay or bi and that if the person also desires at some point to sleep with women that would make them bi by the definition I use.

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