Posted on 04/15/2006 11:44:16 AM PDT by SirLinksalot
I was making fun of the original poster. I also happen to be a scientist who believes in God and accepts evolution.
Then don't argue that ID is the "newer" theory. It just makes you look dumb.
To me the mistake that most people make is assuming God is a seperate deity, a man/being who sits in the clouds and makes all these decisions. What I believe is true is that everything is God, there is no seperation. When you wonder if God is intellegent it depends who you talk to. You talk to Ann Coulter you are talking to God as intellegent, you talk to Ted Kennedy you are talking to God as a moron. To deny there is no God is ridiculous. If there were no God there would not be anything. That there is something instead of nothing proves that God exists, but again all of "this" could all be a dream. It`s the Matrix!! AAAHHHHH!!!!!!! It must be! How else could there exist such illogical things such as liberals and Hillary? OMG it`s TRUE!!! AHHHH!
IDer's are to science what Cynthia McKinney is to politics.
" Old or new is beside the point."
The claim was that older scientists are afraid of new ideas; that ID was a new theory. I pointed out that ID (in it's present form)is older than evolutionary biology (in it's present form). ID had its day and lost. It has yet to provide a testable claim about the alleged designer.
Creationists are to science what Bill Clinton is to your daughters.
Looks like the FR evolutionists need to have a talk with the Harvard evolutionists and get them straightened out since "the origin of life was never a part of evolution." Those ignorant Harvardites.
That wouldn't follow logically, either.
But let's tackle a couple of those assumptions. Where has it been shown that 90% of scientists are atheists? Or is that a label that is being placed on them if they don't believe in a 6,000 year old earth?
Self-proclaimed atheists? Give me a link. Anything.
I'd guess the number is in the single digits.
Fact is, you don't have to be a scientist to be a Darwinist. I don't have to be a scientist to be a Galileoist. I don't have to be a manufacturer to be a Henry Fordist.
If you pour a cupful of theology into a pot of science watered down with a broth of statistics and sociology, I guess you come up with this article.
Hey, it's a point of view, and expressing it is okay with me. Not all points of view are required to make sense before they're published.
Id is to science what "The Da Vinci Code" is to Christianity.
I'm not sure anybody said that the emergence of the first life isn't an important question, just that its a separate question from the observed change in allele frequencies over time we call evolution.
ID is to science as... um, no wait, there is no connection. :)
Why I did!! I saw her, liked her, she liked me, we engaged in reproduction and produced little ones that were slight variations of ourselves but were slightly changed or different. They have had little ones that are slightly changed and different. We are the variety of a population. I have observed evolution (ongoing change and difference) and predict it will continue. Did you not have any selection and remain a clone from a clone?
No they aren't. Most scientists are also Christians. You really don't see how this is possible, do you?
And the word "selection" is a verb (See #12).
No, "select" is a verb. "Selection" is a noun.
Sir Linksalot has entered the world of bizarre self-parody.
Seeing as how he is on the CRIDer (your) side, I will let this comment stand.
From This article
Where, one reader demanded, did I get the information that 10 percent of scientists accept intelligent design? I got it from a National Post (newspaper) article published two years ago, which said that 90 percent of the members of the National Academy of Science "consider themselves atheists." Since if you're not an atheist, you allow for the possibility of a Mind or Intelligence behind nature, this puts 10 percent in the I.D. camp.
Maybe you should ask the author of this article for more info about the National Post article.
Evolution is a vital, well-supported, unifying principle of the biological sciences, and the scientific evidence is overwhelmingly in favor of the idea that all living things share a common ancestry. Although there are legitimate debates about the patterns and processes of evolution, there is no serious scientific doubt that evolution occurred or that natural selection is a major mechanism in its occurrence. It is scientifically inappropriate and pedagogically irresponsible for creationist pseudoscience, including but not limited to 'intelligent design,' to be introduced into the science curricula of our nation's public schools.These Steves are only the tip of the scientific iceberg, because the name "Steve" is given to only about 1% of the population. Therefore, the 700 Steves probably represent about 70,000 scientists. See also Project Steve update.
The Steves alone are greater in number than all the scientists (of every name) who have signed statements questioning evolution, and most of the evolution skeptics aren't biologists. For example, the much-publicized list of 500 names collected by the Discovery Institute includes only about 154 biologists, less than one-third of the total. Those 500 signed a rather ambiguous statement, which says:
We are skeptical of claims for the ability of random mutation and natural selection to account for the complexity of life. Careful examination of the evidence for Darwinian theory should be encouraged.In contrast, two-thirds of the 700 Steves are biologists, so the biologist-Steves are about 466 in number. Steves are 1% of the population, so they represent approximately 46,600 biologists. Compare that number to the 154 biologists' names collected by the Discovery Institute. They're the totality of biologists who are evolution skeptics. These competing lists clearly tell us that evolution skeptics are a tiny fringe group -- about one-third of one percent of biologists.
Therefore, notwithstanding the unending demands to "teach the controversy," there literally is no scientific controversy about the basic principles of evolution. Scientists, especially those in the biological fields, are all but unanimous in their acceptance of evolution.
I'm a mechanical engineer, a thermdynamics kind of guy. While evolution certainly occurs (slow gazelles end up dead), there is also obviously an "evolutionary gradient". That is, you don't see that defy physics- which is akin to saying there are evoltionary limits and a preconceived master plan of what is possible. So, I don't see how one position negates the other.
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