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The Generals' revolt
WND ^ | Ap 15 06 | Buchanan

Posted on 04/15/2006 8:14:44 AM PDT by churchillbuff

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To: LenS
It's also worth noting that MacArthur received a cash payment of $500,000 from Philippines Commonwealth President Manuel Quezon even as he left his beseiged troops behind and fled to Australia.

When the final chapter is eventually written on MacArthur, I'm guessing it's not going to be a pretty story.

121 posted on 04/15/2006 9:25:56 AM PDT by Alberta's Child (Can money pay for all the days I lived awake but half asleep?)
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To: churchillbuff

MacArthur had a great oppinion of himself. Truman had no choice but to confront this egotistical rogue general and enforce his authority over a general who put himself above god and country. MacArthur never missed an opportunity to promote himself at the expense of others.


122 posted on 04/15/2006 9:25:57 AM PDT by Joan Kerrey (what support is Sinclair giving to a candidate)
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To: operation clinton cleanup
"Although every casualty is a tragedy, Iraqi Freedom will go down as one of the most lopsided defeats in Military history."

Yes, it will. Meanwhile, however, we get to deal with the mewling stupdities of people who think the Secretary of Defense should be fired.

Yes. Fired. For taking and holding on to two countries for three years with the loss of less than three thousand men.

Who else has done it? No one. Of course.

But that doesn't matter. The media and their little lackeys have decided that the only thing left to do is to spout brainless propaganda.

123 posted on 04/15/2006 9:26:25 AM PDT by Reactionary (The Moonbats Need an Enema)
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To: HawaiianGecko
Don Rumsfeld accomplished more before he was 40 than these whiners have done with their whole lives.
124 posted on 04/15/2006 9:29:18 AM PDT by operation clinton cleanup
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To: Diogenesis

DONALD RUMSFELD - THE MASTER

Image courtesy of StrangeCosmos

125 posted on 04/15/2006 9:30:39 AM PDT by Incorrigible (If I lead, follow me; If I pause, push me; If I retreat, kill me.)
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To: Reactionary
Yes, it will. Meanwhile, however, we get to deal with the mewling stupdities of people who think the Secretary of Defense should be fired.

Yes. Fired. For taking and holding on to two countries for three years with the loss of less than three thousand men.

Who else has done it? No one. Of course.

But that doesn't matter. The media and their little lackeys have decided that the only thing left to do is to spout brainless propaganda

And pat buchanan has been doing that for years.

126 posted on 04/15/2006 9:31:43 AM PDT by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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To: churchillbuff

Courage. The courage to tell hard truths about the mismanagement of this war

Please show me a war that no one could claim mismanagement and blunders. Mistakes were made, yes, but please reflect on what has happened in such a short time in two countries with no history except war and conflict. What has happened is amazing. Could it have been better, probably. Could it have been perfect with no detractors, never.

Armchair (retired) generals have always been around and so have armchair historians, armchair policy makers and others who can bash away at those in power using hindsight with great expertise.


127 posted on 04/15/2006 9:31:56 AM PDT by Joan Kerrey (what support is Sinclair giving to a candidate)
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To: operation clinton cleanup
1) 'We don't need more troops in Iraq.'

2) We don't need a larger Army.

3) Reviewing & Micro management of troop deployments to OIF that caused entire units to be delayed.

4) Firing Jay Garner.

5) Installing a CPA in Iraq.

6) Not believing that an insurgency was occurring in Iraq.

7) Not hammering the Navy after the P-3/China crisis.

8) Replacing a SF Chairman of the JCS with an AF general after Afghanistan.

There are many more ....

128 posted on 04/15/2006 9:32:04 AM PDT by Yasotay
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To: Incorrigible

I just hope the original caption for #112 was not -"What do I do with these?"


129 posted on 04/15/2006 9:32:28 AM PDT by eskimo (Political groupies - rabid defenders of the indefensible.)
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To: churchillbuff

He did it while on active duty, not as a retired arm chair General getting a large retirement check.


130 posted on 04/15/2006 9:33:25 AM PDT by mortal19440
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To: HawaiianGecko

I subscribe to the WP. Based on the columns I have read through the years, David Ignatius is very anti-Bush, anti-Rep. I find Buchanan's contention that Ignatius is pro-war nonsense.


131 posted on 04/15/2006 9:35:46 AM PDT by kabar
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To: AntiGuv
Good morning.
"Maj. Gen. John Batiste was offered three stars if he returned to command in Iraq, but refused because he didn't want to 'work with' Rumsfeld anymore."

That has been posted repeatedly by people who hold views similar to yours but I've not been able to find anything that confirms it.

Convince those of us who are skeptical of the General's motives please.

Michael Frazier
132 posted on 04/15/2006 9:37:04 AM PDT by brazzaville (no surrender no retreat, well, maybe retreat's ok)
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To: churchillbuff
Dead-end Debates--Critics need to move on.
133 posted on 04/15/2006 9:37:12 AM PDT by kabar
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To: HawaiianGecko

You are spot on. Spot on. Why are there no Navy, USAF or Coasties in this bunch of whiners?


134 posted on 04/15/2006 9:38:22 AM PDT by axes_of_weezles
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To: axes_of_weezles

I was surprised to see a Marine, though.


135 posted on 04/15/2006 9:39:59 AM PDT by Inkie (Attn Dems: Loose Lips Sink Ships -- but hey, I guess that's your goal))
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To: Yasotay
1) 'We don't need more troops in Iraq.'

We don't.

2) We don't need a larger Army.

We don't.

3) Reviewing & Micro management of troop deployments to OIF that caused entire units to be delayed.

I think that is his job. Not sure what units were delayed.

4) Firing Jay Garner.

What was the negative effect of that (and wouldn't that be the Presidents decision?)

5) Installing a CPA in Iraq.

As opposed to putting the UN in charge?

6) Not believing that an insurgency was occurring in Iraq.

Don't you read the papers, it's not an insurgency, it's "sectarian violence".

7) Not hammering the Navy after the P-3/China crisis.

I could agree with you on that. 9/11 derailed that investigation.

8) Replacing a SF Chairman of the JCS with an AF general after Afghanistan.

Was the chairman fired? or did he retire requiring a replacement be made?
136 posted on 04/15/2006 9:40:12 AM PDT by operation clinton cleanup
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To: Incorrigible
The real reason the little propagandists are after Rumsfeld is exactly the same reason they went after Delay: Rumsfeld is incredibly effective.

The media lackeys want us to lose this war. They are seething totalitarian swine, and they will do anything for power.

137 posted on 04/15/2006 9:41:22 AM PDT by Reactionary (The Moonbats Need an Enema)
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To: churchillbuff

Buchanan is a Loser and Anti America! Five out of Nine Thousand Retired Generals alive today. Rummy must be doing pretty good to only have five out of nine thousand upset with him. GOD BLRSS Rummy!


138 posted on 04/15/2006 9:41:30 AM PDT by True Republican Patriot
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To: Jeff Chandler

Or wait until they were trying to flog a book.


139 posted on 04/15/2006 9:41:39 AM PDT by Inkie (Attn Dems: Loose Lips Sink Ships -- but hey, I guess that's your goal))
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To: Meadow Muffin
What general worth his salt dosen't think that he knows better than the next guy up the chain of command? If they had the balls, why did they not speak up when they were on active duty?

Because the UCMJ prohibits it.

Once you have active duty military officers publicly challenging the civilian leadership, you have crossed the Rubicon as Caesar did.

If there are problems, they need to be considered in a dispassionate manner without a knee-jerk defense of any particular individual. American military history is replete with both know-it-all Generals (McClellan, Hooker) and civilian micro-managers (McNamara, LBJ) that brought disaster to U.S. war efforts.

This is an issue where the debate should focus on military specifics and not on personalities.

One issue I agree with is the the Bush Administration has done an abysmal job in regards to fighting the Home Front Propaganda War........Not only in Iraq but even with domestic issues such as Katrina.

Say what you will about Bill Clinton, he was a master at molding public opinion. Even though Clinton had the liberal news media firmly in his corner, Clinton's "War Room" would mount a frontal attack on any public relations problem within one news cycle.

By comparison, when the Democrat Governor of Louisiana and the Democrat Mayor of New Orleans ignore their own evacuation plan and leave tens of thousands of poor people stranded in a flood surge zone, the message that America gets is, "Bush hates black people" and the reply from the White House is:


140 posted on 04/15/2006 9:42:20 AM PDT by Polybius
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