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1 posted on 04/13/2006 4:24:51 PM PDT by NormsRevenge
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Crusty and unapologetic, Donald H. Rumsfeld is the public face of an unpopular war ....

Isn't every war pretty much unpopular?

2 posted on 04/13/2006 4:26:33 PM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all.)
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Looks like it's Rumsfield's turn to be "Target of the Week" again. They keep trying, hoping to find a weakness somewhere. I don't think they're going to succeed in drumming him out of Washington.


3 posted on 04/13/2006 4:26:59 PM PDT by MizSterious (Anonymous sources often means "the voices in my head told me.")
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Every liberal rag has to have someone to demonize. It is Rummy's turn today.


4 posted on 04/13/2006 4:27:45 PM PDT by EagleUSA
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Up or Out, boys. They knew the drill. They didn't cut the mustard to go to the top, and now they want to bitch to anyone who will but a microphone in front of them. Clinton era Generals all. Who cares? Rummy doesn't.
5 posted on 04/13/2006 4:28:05 PM PDT by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache, so if mere words can anger you, it means you can be controlled with little effort.)
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Rumsfeld serves at the pleasure of the president, not a few ex-generals who are probably Democrats anyway.


6 posted on 04/13/2006 4:28:19 PM PDT by MikeA (Not voting in November because you're pouting is a vote for Democratic Congressional control)
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I have a few ex-bosses that I never cared too much for. I guess its the same in the military.


7 posted on 04/13/2006 4:31:02 PM PDT by mountn man (Growing old is mandatory. Growing up is optional.)
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More from the 'Saddam wasn't such a bad bloke' crowd.

We have a Commander in Chief. He's running the war, as he should. If he has confidence in Rumsfeld, so do I. On this subject I support Bush and Rumsfeld 100%.

Every war will have it naysayers, but when generals speak out, they MUST have an overpowering arguement. If there was an overpowering arguement, Bush's military advisors would let him know about it.

A person in Rumsfeld's position cannot fake it forever. If he wasn't doing his job, Bush would know by now and make a change. He hasn't, therefore Rumsfeld is doing a great job.

All these generals are doing is making it easier to destroy troop moral in the theater of war.

If Rumsfeld truly wasn't doing his job and our troops were suffering because of it, I'd be very inclined to support his removal.

To this day I dispise Robert McNamera. To this day I admire and respect Rumself a great deal.

I wish these generals would put a sock in it.


9 posted on 04/13/2006 4:35:40 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Illegal Immigration: What hope is there, when El Presidente' Bush is leading the insurrection.)
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Two thousand or more generals in the Army and they think he should buckle under if six don't like him?? What do they think he is, French?


10 posted on 04/13/2006 4:35:44 PM PDT by wizardoz
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While I think the criticisms of the military leaders should be given due consideration, it would be foolish to ignore their present agendas. E.g., the article states that Colonel Crowley is "now a senior fellow at the liberal Center for American Progress."

From the wikipedia:

The Center for American Progress is a liberal U.S. think tank and advocacy organization led and created by John Podesta, a former chief of staff to Bill Clinton. It is located in Washington, D.C. The Center for American Progress has a sister advocacy group, the American Progress Action Fund, and campus outreach group, Campus Progress. As those adjuncts indicate, the Center has a more activist and partisan approach than most think tanks. At its inception, most media noted its partisan mission; in the words of the Atlanta Constitution, "former Clinton Chief of Staff John Podesta has launched a liberal policy institute, the Center for American Progress, to drive the message for Democrats."

Center for American Progess - Wikipedia

Frankly, I think it is rather misleading for the author(s) of the article not to disclose such information to their readers. They give the impression that the guy works for some unbiased think-tank, when in reality, he works for an organization that was formed to "drive the message for Democrats." In other words, he is a paid shill.

11 posted on 04/13/2006 4:36:47 PM PDT by Gee Wally
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[said Crowley, now a senior fellow at the liberal Center for American Progress.]

Why does it not surprise me that he would say the military doesn't trust the civilian leadership.


13 posted on 04/13/2006 4:40:23 PM PDT by jazusamo (-- Married a WAC in '65 and I'm still reenlisting. :-)
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First fire all O-6s and above (Col/Capt and Gen/Adm). Then promote warriors. Any officers above O-5 (LTC/CDR) got their on politics. They sucked up to the leaders who sucked up to the SecDef who sucked up to POTUS. Almost all the "leadership" were promoted to O-6 by Clinton. Are you surprised that they whine? Frankly, I am surprised that we have as many halfway decent flag officers as we do. As for all the complaints about "boots on the ground", I have yet to hear one person say, "When I was asked by the President, 'What do you need?'. I told him MORE TROOPS." I have yet to hear it, because they did not say it.


17 posted on 04/13/2006 4:50:01 PM PDT by Rodentking (There is no God but Yahweh and Moses is his prophet - http://www.airpower.blogspot.com/)
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Let those generals read this.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1614703/posts


18 posted on 04/13/2006 4:51:18 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Illegal Immigration: What hope is there, when El Presidente' Bush is leading the insurrection.)
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I'm sure those retired Generals have twice as many of their subordinates criticizing their performances.


21 posted on 04/13/2006 4:54:27 PM PDT by caisson71
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Retired Army Major Gen. John Riggs told National Public Radio that Rumsfeld fostered an “atmosphere of arrogance.”

Geez, this guy is crying because Rumsfeld fostered an "atmosphere of arrogance"? First, assigning arrogance to someone is a highly subjective act. Second, quite often accusations of arrogance are thrown at the achievers by the mediocre; it's the last resort of a loser. Last, if this sniveler is crying just because of his superior's "atmosphere", he should try spending some time as a regular troop, where one wrong look at a superior NCO is likely to get you rewarded with a size 12 boot up what's left of your chewed-up rear end.

Whiny, touchy-feely generals like this are the primary reason that the service has been so wussified by PC over the years.
27 posted on 04/13/2006 5:03:16 PM PDT by fr_freak
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"Military experts say the parade of recently retired military brass calling for Rumsfeld's resignation is troubling and threatens to undermine strong support Bush has enjoyed among the officer corps and troops."

Name the "military experts" who say so.
Nobody asked me.
Some people actually think I am a military expert.
(I do not consider myself one, BTW.)
Who did they ask?

What is their criteria in defining "a military expert"?
30 posted on 04/13/2006 5:07:15 PM PDT by sarasmom (Care meter pegged solidly on 0.(Except when I decide to fracture what is left of my heart))
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Hang in there Mr. Rumsfeld, you're doing just fine, quite a few notches on that belt of yours!


34 posted on 04/13/2006 5:11:24 PM PDT by Imperialist
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A wartime army is different from a peacetime army, and the kind of guy who rises to the top during peacetime isn't the same kind of guy who rises during war.

The Wesley Clarke political types will find themselves pushed out over time, because a warfighting army has no need of them, and they just get in the way. The ones who will stay, and thrive, are the ones who can quickly adjust to the particular challenges of the new war, and quicly fashion a force to meet them.

They say that an army always prepares to fight the last war, and that is probably true until the new war starts; then comes the pain of building the new force to meet the new enemy. Some guys have the right talents for the new war, and some guys have the right talents for the previous war, and need to go home and enjoy their well-earned retirement.


35 posted on 04/13/2006 5:14:19 PM PDT by marron
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36 posted on 04/13/2006 5:15:20 PM PDT by Chode (1967 UN Outer Space Treaty is bad for America and bad for humanity - DUMP IT. American Hedonist ©®)
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This article is also on the net titled

Analysis: Criticism Mounts Vs. Rumsfeld


41 posted on 04/13/2006 5:31:31 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (May 1st: - PINKO DE MAYO)
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General Tom Franks made this line of BS clear in his biography.

The "Title Ten Motherxxxxxxs" on the JCS wanted control of Iraq, Franks and Rumsfeld told them to screw off, and ow that they have retired and can't be made to suffer, they get even with lies.

Face facts, "Generals", the US Military is now a Joint Operation, you are dinosaurs, and nobody wants to hear your whining and crying.

Get lost.


43 posted on 04/13/2006 5:42:08 PM PDT by jeffers
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