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To: Iscool
I have no problem believing anything the Bible says. I also don't change it. The Bible does use IMAGEry to explain things that are difficult to grasp. Your example in Revelations the other day was perfect for this. God's Eyes were of firey flames, His Voices like many waters, He had two swords coming from His mouth. These sound like IMAGES of authority. There are many definitions for the word image. How do you know which he was referring to?
n.
A reproduction of the form of a person or object, especially a sculptured likeness.
Physics. An optically formed duplicate, counterpart, or other representative reproduction of an object, especially an optical reproduction formed by a lens or mirror.
One that closely or exactly resembles another; a double: He is the image of his uncle.

The opinion or concept of something that is held by the public.
The character projected to the public, as by a person or institution, especially as interpreted by the mass media.
A personification of something specified: That child is the image of good health.
A mental picture of something not real or present.

A vivid description or representation.
A figure of speech, especially a metaphor or simile.
A concrete representation, as in art, literature, or music, that is expressive or evocative of something else: night as an image of death.
Mathematics. A set of values of a function corresponding to a particular subset of a domain.
Computer Science. An exact replica of the contents of a storage device, such as a hard disk, stored on a second storage device, such as a network server.
Obsolete. An apparition.

tr.v. im·aged, im·ag·ing, im·ag·es
To make or produce a likeness of: imaged the poet in bronze.
To mirror or reflect: a statue imaged in the water.
To symbolize or typify: a kneeling woman imaging the nation's grief.
To picture mentally; imagine.
To describe, especially so vividly as to evoke a mental picture of.
Computer Science.
To print (a file) using a laser printer, imagesetter, direct-to-plate press, or similar device.
To transmit (an exact replica of the contents of a storage device) to another storage device: imaged the hard drive to the server.
To render visually, as by magnetic resonance imaging.


image·less adj.
imag·er n.

im·age (mj)
n.

An optically formed duplicate or other representative reproduction of an object, especially an optical reproduction of an object formed.< (>According to this verse, we will see Jesus when he appears...I'm assuming a 'Spirit' or 'Soul' would be hard to see...) Such limitations. This shouldn't be a problem for God. Read the defintions for image if you haven't already. You can see an Image without it being a physical body.
1 Thessalonians 5:23

23May God himself, the God of peace, sanctify you through and through. May your whole spirit, soul and body be kept blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. 24The one who calls you is faithful and he will do it.


Paul was not referring to God here. He is referring to the Christians in Thessolonica.


(We have a body, soul and spirit...A trinity...In the image of God...Father, Son, Holy Spirit...)

We may have a body, but this still does not say that God does, or that is what is meant by His Image.


(Joh 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?)

Was it Jesus's body that made him God's son? I don't believe so. I think it was much deeper than anything physical that makes him God's son. They saw the father because of who Jesus was, what he could do, what he taught, the example he set.


(2Co 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.)

I don't want to worship Christ because He looks like God in a physical sense. He may, or may not, but His Image is far more than something I can see. Furthermore, this scripture is referring to the Gospel of Christ. How does the Gospel resemble a physical body? How does a physical body shine into us? Read things in context please. Don't just pick out words.


(Heb 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
Heb 1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high)


So which is the imagery here, Jesus is the brightness of His glory, or the Image of His person? This also says


(Phi 3:21 Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.)

Here it says our VILE body is fashioned like unto His glorious body. Vile, and Glorious are two ends of the spectrum. How can we physically be in His Image when we are vile and He is glorious?
663 posted on 04/17/2006 7:53:34 PM PDT by Conservative Texan Mom (Some people say I'm stubborn, when it's usually just that I'm right.)
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To: Conservative Texan Mom
You said,
Furthermore, this scripture is referring to the Gospel of Christ. How does the Gospel resemble a physical body? How does a physical body shine into us? Read things in context please. Don't just pick out words.

(2Co 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not,lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

Not picking out words as you suggest...Who, refers to Christ...Who can not possibly refer to the gospel...

You said
So which is the imagery here, Jesus is the brightness of His glory, or the Image of His person?

Heb 1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person

It's pretty clear it's both...The key word is and

You said
Here it says our VILE body is fashioned like unto His glorious body. Vile, and Glorious are two ends of the spectrum. How can we physically be in His Image when we are vile and He is glorious

Phi 3:21 Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.

I'm mystified...You tell me I'm wrong when you misquote the verse every time...As you can see, our vile bodies get changed into glorious bodies...

664 posted on 04/17/2006 8:29:26 PM PDT by Iscool (You mess with me, you mess with the whole trailer park...)
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