George Allen for President? (vanity)

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[HHKrepublican_2]

I was just looking at Allens website for his senate re-election bid, his philosophy on Government is near perfect!! He has an all American family and his wife just has that first lady look to her which complements George's Presidential leadership 'vibe' Any FReepers know more about allen? Is his name being tossed around for 2008?

The Allen Family (left to right): Forrest, Brooke, Susan, George and Tyler

[Corin Stormhands]

Go dig up the thread that has George Allen's statement in immigration and securing the borders.

The reality is that the all or nothings on abortion, immigration and a host of other issues are hurting their own causes. Politics and government is all about making the advances you can and lessening your losses.

If the all or nothings understood that, we'd be a lot closer to solving these problems. But they don't want that. They just want to win arguments.

Pity that.

[Howlin]

Why I Support the Reelection of President George W. Bush

Oh, FGS. Talk about trying to get in front of the parade!

How about posting the thread you put up supporting Bush in 2000; it should be easy to find; look in the month of July 2000.

After the convention.

[EternalVigilance]

The reality is that the all or nothings on abortion, immigration and a host of other issues are hurting their own causes. Politics and government is all about making the advances you can and lessening your losses.

If it was YOUR life that was being bargained away for political gain, you might be wanting some political folks who were 'all-or-nothing'.

And one American city being obliterated, or one schoolyard full of kids being butchered by a terrorist cell that came across the southern border is not 'acceptable losses'.

When you are dealing with life and death, compromise is not acceptable.

[Corin Stormhands]

Excellent example of missing the point.

[EternalVigilance]

Oh, FGS. Talk about trying to get in front of the parade!

I notice you posted on that thread.

[EternalVigilance]

Excellent example of missing the point.

Oh really? I think it is you who is intentionally missing the point. Care to point out specifically how I missed the point of what you said?

[Gelato]

Will Not Rule Out Legalizing Illegals

Sen. George Allen (R.-Va.)

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Sen. Allen Squishy on Immigration Reform

Human Events

Q. Does America have the engineering capability to build a fence along the border that would keep people out?

SEN. GEORGE ALLEN: Do we have the engineering capability?

Mmmhmm.

ALLEN: I suspect so.

Q. So, this is the follow up, why don’t we?

ALLEN: Because it would be -- I don’t [think] it’s worthy of consideration. ...

Q. Do you support closing the border first before we do guest worker or do you think they go hand-in-hand?

ALLEN: I think you need to do all of them. You need to do all of them. ...

Q. So, guest amnesty, virtual fence and--

ALLEN: I am not for amnesty. Not for amnesty.

Q. Guest worker? Excuse me.

ALLEN: A legal guest-worker program.

http://www.humaneventsonline.com/article.php?id=10880

[Corin Stormhands]

It's all there. Read it again.

[Howlin]

I notice you posted on that thread.

Only because I was pinged to it by deport.

And certainly nothing of substance to you.

You, on the other hand, were doing some major sucking up:

To: Howlin

Hey, you were a pioneer! ;-)

21 posted on 04/11/2003 2:09:47 PM EDT by EternalVigilance

Thanks for proving that you weren't FOR Bush until April 11, 2003, by your own words.

[EternalVigilance]

Hey, you were a pioneer! ;-)

[EternalVigilance]

Thanks for proving that you weren't FOR Bush until April 11, 2003, by your own words.

LOL...you're making stuff up, as usual.

[Gelato]

look in the month of July 2000. After the convention.

The 2000 GOP convention ended in August.

[Corin Stormhands]

Aw geez, not that Human Events hit piece again. Fercryinoutloud...did you write it?

George Allen: One Tough Border Collie
U.S. News and World Report
4/17/06

Throughout this debate I've consistently said the legislative priority should be to secure the borders and stop the flow of illegal entry. That fundamental responsibility must be addressed. Congress should move to forge both a stable and consistent legal immigration policy and a responsive legal-temporary-worker plan, but no plan should reward illegal behavior. That's why I just cannot support the convoluted three-tiered amnesty deal that was brokered last week because it rewards illegal behavior...

The first responsibility is to secure our borders. The federal government, in my view, has been neglectful of doing this.... There are terrorists who would like to hit this country, and they're not necessarily going to come in on a flight from Paris or from London or from Frankfurt. They see that you can get into this country fairly easily by crossing the border.

So the question is, what should we do? My view is secure the borders. Everything from unmanned vehicles, to virtual fences, to actual fences, more personnel, detention centers. The places where you need an actual fence are where you have a big inflow. There are other places where you could use unmanned aerial vehicles and these unattended ground sensors. ... The point is to secure the border, and with more personnel, with more technology, and with more actual fences, we will stem the flow.

Because unless we control our borders we will not be able to control our destiny as a nation.

In his own words...

[EternalVigilance]

The same exact rhetoric the President uses. I'm shocked, shocked, I tell you... /sarcasm

How can we believe it when the Senator is hiring the same WH crowd that has signally refused to enforce our border or employment laws against hiring illegals?

Did Ed Gillespie write it?

[Gelato]

Did I write it? LOL!

No one wrote it. It's George Allen in his OWN WORDS.

Notice his double-speak. Even in that Human Events interview, he says: "first you have to secure your borders."

Yet, in the next breath, Allen says: "But securing the borders in itself is not going to solve the whole problem. What we need to do is devise a good guest-worker program."

Paragraphs above that, Allen promotes a virtual fence, after stating an actual fence isn't worthy of "consideration." But even in his virtual fence talk, he concludes with this: "The key point is to make sure we have a workable, legal, guest-worker system in this country not rewarding illegal behavior."

Talking out of both sides of his mouth, just like our current president, sadly.

[Corin Stormhands]

But securing the borders in itself is not going to solve the whole problem.

And I suppose you think it will?

[EternalVigilance]

Whoa. That's gonna leave a mark.

[Gelato]

A guest worker program is NOT the solution!!

Allen says it is.

[Corin Stormhands]

I notice your selective editing, you left out the rest of his remarks... And we should not reward illegal behavior because if you reward illegal behavior somebody will find a way to get in here and they will think, “Oh, gosh I can get amnesty,” and so forth. So, I think all of them go together. It’s a comprehensive approach. We should have been securing the borders much better...ago

[Corin Stormhands]

No, you're misreading that...He did say...So, I think all of them go together. It’s a comprehensive approach.

Do you need me to provide a definition of comprehensive? Or can you look that up yourself?

[Gelato]

Here, have the whole thing. It's pitiful, particually in context.

Sen. Allen Squishy on Immigration Reform

by Amanda B. Carpenter
Posted Dec 15, 2005

Potential 2008 Republican presidential candidate Sen. George Allen (Va.) declined Wednesday to support the idea of a fence separating the United States and Mexico, but said he would back a guest-worker plan as envisioned by President Bush.

In an exclusive interview with Human Events, Allen passed on the opportunity to take a firm stance on immigration reform -- likely to be one of the key issues among Republicans in the 2008 presidential sweepstakes.

When asked directly on whether the United States has the capability to build a fence along our border and if it was his top priority, Allen said building a physical barrier was only “worthy of consideration.” He cited economic concerns with installing such a security measure and said he supported comprehensive policies that included a guest-worker program.

Below is the exchange I had with Allen yesterday.

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Does American have the engineering capability to build a fence along the border that would keep people out?

SEN. GEORGE ALLEN: Do we have the engineering capability?

Mmmhmm.

ALLEN: I suspect so.

So, this is the follow up, why don’t we?

ALLEN: Because it would be -- I don’t [think] it’s worthy of consideration. The reason is, while something might be able to be done at an enormous cost to the taxpayers if there are more effective ways of doing it other than a fence, whether it’s with surveillance and more personnel, and surveillance--

Are you in the camp of those supporting the “virtual fence” idea?

ALLEN: I think a virtual fence would be much less costly to the taxpayers. I think the key thing, regardless of virtual or actual fence, which would take a long time. Let’s assume we wanted to build the Great Wall of America, which can be done, it would take years and years. I’m watching the Woodrow Wilson Bridge being built here, which is a much more difficult task than building a wall. It’s not over a river. The key point is to make sure we have a workable, legal, guest-worker system in this country not rewarding illegal behavior. Not this don’t ask, don’t tell--

Do you support closing the border first before we do guest worker or do you think they go hand-in-hand?

ALLEN: I think you need to do all of them. You need to do all of them.

Are you going to put a priority on one?

ALLEN: If you get, well, first you have to secure your borders. That’s No. 1. But securing the borders in itself is not going to solve the whole problem. What we need to do is devise a good guest-worker program. And we should not reward illegal behavior because if you reward illegal behavior somebody will find a way to get in here and they will think, “Oh, gosh I can get amnesty,” and so forth. So, I think all of them go together. It’s a comprehensive approach. We should have been securing the borders much better, years ago. The fact that there’s not even sufficient detention facilities where they catch people and--

But you don’t think building a fence, so to say, or some kind of secure physical barrier is necessary?

ALLEN: I think you need to strengthen, you’re asking about the specific on how you do it.

Well, sure, this is policy, right?

ALLEN: The best way to do it, to securing the border then, what you can actually get done now is with more personnel, is with better use of technologies. You can call it a virtual fence, but using unmanned aerial vehicles that also have sensors that at night you can sense the heat from human beings and the detention centers. Because once you catch those [people] coming in here illegally it does no good just to make it a catch-and-release system. Of course they don’t show up. That is clearly not the one. But doing that alone is not going to solve the problem.

So, you would want all these three things together before you’d do one or another?

ALLEN: As a process, I think, to have an effective, for the safety of this country, for adequate workforce capabilities of many companies and for protecting the rule of law, all three of these matters or principles need to be there.

So, guest amnesty, virtual fence and--

ALLEN: I am not for amnesty. Not for amnesty.

Guest worker? Excuse me.

ALLEN: A legal guest-worker program. And they way I look at it, take the H2B, I don’t know if you’ve ever heard of this, but it’s a seasonal worker approach. Mostly small businesses, they certify, they prove they can’t find Americans to do work. They show the ads they ran in the newspapers and then they are matched up with someone who is checked out, I mean scrutinized, from another country that they’re not a terrorist or criminal and that person comes and they are a guest worker. The whole family doesn’t come, that person comes.

What states use that now?

ALLEN: All states in the United States. The problem is that there are only 66,000 for these seasonal workers for the whole country and that’s got to be much higher. But that is an example of a legal guest worker program. Same as the H1B for the technology workers or some of the agriculture migrant workers that follow the crops as they need to be harvested. You have these legal approaches.

And you think that is effective and safe?

ALLEN: Yes, I do. The problem is the numbers, particular in the H2B, these are the seasonal workers for the seafood industry, for the hospitality industry, some of the more seasonal work, and 66,000 are just not enough.

So, we just need more of those?

ALLEN: Yeah. But it’s a legal guest worker system. It’s not just don’t ask, don’t tell.

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