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Does Prayer Work?--Research and ‘Unanswered’ Prayer
Breakpoint with Charles Colson ^ | 4/13/2006 | Mark Earley

Posted on 04/13/2006 8:24:36 AM PDT by Mr. Silverback

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To: Mr. Silverback

"He prayed that He would not have to go to the Cross."

Okay, Mr. Mark Early. The above statement proves that you don't have a clue about much of anything.
-First and foremost, that was not what Jesus Christ was praying for, you dumbo! Get your facts straight if you are going to put things in print. He prayed, that the FATHER would not discontinue their personal relationship, while he suffered the agony of scourging and crucifixion...


21 posted on 04/13/2006 9:46:38 AM PDT by Mrs. Darla Ruth Schwerin
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To: VoiceOfBruck
Every single prayer was heard and answered.

Yes. The problem some people have is they ask and never hear the answer.

22 posted on 04/13/2006 10:16:24 AM PDT by Krodg
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To: stuartcr

I KNOW prayer works. 20 years ago, I was involved in a custody fight for my sons (in the democratic peoples republic of California, where it is still almost impossible for the dad to win custody).

Through the power of my prayers and countless others, I did win custody of my children. The good lord provided me with a winning lottery scratcher ticked worth $25000.oo to continue the fight just when I was out of resources. It provided enough finances to prevail.

The day before the winning ticket, I received $16.94 from the sale of the family home, my ex got the rest of the proceeds.


23 posted on 04/13/2006 10:33:09 AM PDT by stumpy
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To: Mr. Silverback

If this is the case, do you believe it's possible to construct an experiment to see whether or not prayer is effective? It seems to me that no matter what happens, people who believe in prayer will believe that the prayer was answered in one way or another, those who don't won't believe it without convincing evidence of effectiveness.


24 posted on 04/13/2006 10:36:16 AM PDT by Stone Mountain
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To: luv2ski
I find it puzzling why some "academics" as they are referred to here, are so anxious to disprove the existence of a higher power.

It seems to me that they are trying to ascertain the existence of a higher power. Sure some academics are trying to disprove it, just as others are just as anxious to prove it. That's why an objective experiment is needed (alhough one probably cannot be constructed).
25 posted on 04/13/2006 10:39:00 AM PDT by Stone Mountain
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To: Emmet Fitzhume
Academic atheists are typically arrogant narcissists who condescendingly "speak down" to other people.

Really? Gee, it's a good thing that no theists would talk down to other people or claim that their beliefs aren't valid...
26 posted on 04/13/2006 10:42:18 AM PDT by Stone Mountain
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To: VoiceOfBruck
Every single prayer was heard and answered.

How can one judge this?
27 posted on 04/13/2006 10:43:21 AM PDT by Stone Mountain
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To: Mrs. Darla Ruth Schwerin
First and foremost, that was not what Jesus Christ was praying for, you dumbo!

Ah... Christian charity... : )
28 posted on 04/13/2006 10:44:38 AM PDT by Stone Mountain
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To: Stone Mountain

Yep. But none of my Christian charity will find it's way to you...


29 posted on 04/13/2006 10:48:13 AM PDT by Mrs. Darla Ruth Schwerin
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To: Theo

Always.


30 posted on 04/13/2006 11:02:31 AM PDT by pgyanke (Christ has a tolerance for sinners; liberals have a tolerance for sin.)
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To: Stone Mountain

Of course an experiment can't be conducted to gauge God. The only people who think it can be done see God as George Lucas's Force. If you truly believe He is a sentient being far beyond our understanding, how can you possibly think you could make Him do YOUR will?


31 posted on 04/13/2006 11:05:01 AM PDT by pgyanke (Christ has a tolerance for sinners; liberals have a tolerance for sin.)
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To: edcoil
Sometimes, the answer is no.

One way I heard it put was: "Sometimes God says No so He can say an even greater Yes later." I know there are prayers that have been answered 'no' for me, and I am probably closer to God now than I ever would have been without that 'no.'

32 posted on 04/13/2006 11:05:55 AM PDT by arizonarachel (Praying for a January miracle!)
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To: pgyanke
Of course an experiment can't be conducted to gauge God.

That's my opinion too. Obviously, there are those people out there that disagree with us. This test we are talking about is a good example - the guy who proposed it wanted to get objective proof that prayer works. But when the experiment failed, theists put their spin on it saying that they were vindicated, and atheists did the same.
33 posted on 04/13/2006 11:13:38 AM PDT by Stone Mountain
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To: Stone Mountain

Ward Churchill is a perfect example of what I speak of.


34 posted on 04/13/2006 12:03:33 PM PDT by Emmet Fitzhume ("It is better to be alone than in bad company.")
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To: pgyanke; Stone Mountain

Science deals with the physical world. God is Spirit. Therefore, science is not an appropriate tool with which to evaluate God's interactions with this world.

In other words, scientific experiments having to do with God are a waste of time.


35 posted on 04/13/2006 12:28:50 PM PDT by Theo
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To: Mrs. Darla Ruth Schwerin
yours is the most bizarre interpretation of "Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless, not my will, but thine, be done."* that I have yet seen.

*Luke 22:42

36 posted on 04/13/2006 12:32:59 PM PDT by King Prout (The UN 1967 Outer Space Treaty is bad for America and bad for humanity - DUMP IT.)
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To: Mrs. Darla Ruth Schwerin

Matthew 5:22
But I tell you that anyone who is angry with his brother will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to his brother, 'Raca,'* is answerable to the Sanhedrin. But anyone who says, 'You fool!' will be in danger of the fire of hell.




*'Idiot'


37 posted on 04/13/2006 12:52:28 PM PDT by Albion Wilde (Got freedom? Thank a veteran.)
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To: Theo

That's one way of looking at it. For me, it's just recognizing that whether God is Spirit or physical (as in Jesus), He is sentient. You can't look at empirical actions based on petitions with an assumed motive as the basis of a scientific experiment.


38 posted on 04/13/2006 1:06:59 PM PDT by pgyanke (Christ has a tolerance for sinners; liberals have a tolerance for sin.)
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To: luv2ski

> I find it puzzling why some "academics" as they are referred to here, are so anxious to disprove the existence of a higher power.

What I find puzzling is your belief that that was their goal. Consider two possibilities:
1) The researchers find no correlation between prayer and effect. Result: Shrug.
2) Researchers find Evidence Of God. Result: Nobel prizes all 'round. Buckets of money. Scientific knowledge of a staggering order. Groupies. Some idea regarding eternal life.

Scientists are humans. The results of #2 would be more appealing than #1.


39 posted on 04/13/2006 1:23:04 PM PDT by orionblamblam (I'm interested in science and preventing its corruption, so here I am.)
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To: pgyanke

> If you truly believe He is a sentient being far beyond our understanding, how can you possibly think you could make Him do YOUR will?

A question I ask Christians all the time regardign their prayers. No good answers yet.


40 posted on 04/13/2006 1:24:22 PM PDT by orionblamblam (I'm interested in science and preventing its corruption, so here I am.)
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