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To: tpaine
Most animals don't make/use tools, in the main, save useful adaptations and behaviours they have been endowed with. It is possible, however, someday we'll see an ape fashion a ladder and escape from a zoo.

It's been definitely demonstrated that humans can make human and inhuman tools. The ultimate inhuman tool could be SI/nanotech (would the acronym SIN be appropo?). Food for thought.

52 posted on 04/13/2006 9:35:59 AM PDT by Fitzcarraldo
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To: Fitzcarraldo
"-- I think we do have free will, a precious gift granted to mankind by no less than God Himself. --"

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Aren't you ignoring the fact that all animals have free will, even though many are not self aware?

The ability to determine its next action [free will] may not necessarily indicate the level of an entities intelligence.

Fitz:
Most animals don't make/use tools, in the main, save useful adaptations and behaviours they have been endowed with. It is possible, however, someday we'll see an ape fashion a ladder and escape from a zoo.

No kidding? Does this insight have anything to do with my comment about free will & intelligence?

It's been definitely demonstrated that humans can make human and inhuman tools.

Again, you're making point not in contention. Why?

The ultimate inhuman tool could be SI/nanotech (would the acronym SIN be appropo?). Food for thought.

Ahh, I see; -- you want to make 'sin' the point.. Is it a sin to make the 'wrong' tools?

-- Ask your friendly ATF agent about making a machine gun. -- Then give some thought about who gets to decree what tools are to be "sinful".

71 posted on 04/13/2006 10:25:59 AM PDT by tpaine
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To: Fitzcarraldo

"Most animals don't make/use tools, in the main, save useful adaptations and behaviours they have been endowed with. It is possible, however, someday we'll see an ape fashion a ladder and escape from a zoo."

Well, chimpanzees fashion simple tools. That is to say, they will alter a stick in various ways to make it more efficient to poke ants of an anthill, etc.


112 posted on 04/13/2006 3:20:39 PM PDT by strategofr (Hillary stole 1000+ secret FBI files on DC movers & shakers, Hillary's Secret War, Poe, p. xiv)
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