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I hear you, these folks are largely in a natural view sense on our side. They are pro-family and are not criminals. We can label them, but that does not make it so. Liberals rely on legalism's, I submit to a higher power, Natural Law.

Right, I guess I feel the same as GWB and I apply some of his thoughts on this issue. Freedom is a gift of God and not of man and it's not limited to Americans. What I HOPE we would do is make our laws conform with what the ideals we want our country to be. I don't advocate law breaking, but right now we are talking about law MAKING. Which means we are deciding what we WANT to be legal and what we WANT to be illegal. I'm just saying we should encourage people who will speak ENglish and work, and do those things that make us Americans and PREVENT the rest. I find it very difficult to understand why it's so hard to make that point.

Liberals rely on legalism's, I submit to a higher power, Natural Law.

Liberals rely on redefining the law even though it is already defined. As an individual, you can submit to a higher power, but as an American, every person in this country has to submit to the rule of law. Law states that if you enter illegally, you have committed a crime. If you don't like it, change the law, but don't ignore the law.

Here is the sad reality. We ignored our own immigration laws for years. We made it known that we would not enforce our laws. People took advantage of that and crossed the border. They are here. Nobody is going to succeed in rounding them up. But we can fix the problem. We can start to control the flow of people who wish to come to this country. We can make the process easier to become an American. We can stop treating people who broke our laws better than we treat our own citizens. And we have the DUTY to know who is coming here. If we do not control the border first before discussing what to do about the people who are already here, we should just open our border because that is what it will become, an open border.