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To: metmom
Here's the dilemma: if she doesn't provide them, she leaves herself open to accusations of lying and slander; if she does, she's chastised for providing the information asked for.

So what's she to do?


Well if she takes up the evo flag & joins the ping list, the rules don't apply anymore.

If she did do that, then in fact the contradictions can become so convoluted she could probably spend her whole time shredding 'creationists', attacking people that post Scripture, rarely if ever post any herself, and simultaneously pay (gape jawed) homage to the GM/sarc> have friendly chat-ups with evo posters who put up nasty sac-religious imagery, and still call herself a Christian.

However I think that spot might already be taken. And while I don't know the poster, I doubt that would be the kind of thing she went for anyway.

Wolf
308 posted on 04/17/2006 9:11:44 PM PDT by RunningWolf (Vet US Army Air Cav 1975)
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To: RunningWolf
I want you to know that I will never attack someone for posting scripture. I do, on occasion, disagree with someone's interpretation of scripture. I will not be ugly, or call names because I feel that is wrong. If I take issue with someone, it is usually for doing this very thing.

Yes, I do have friendly chats with some of the evo group. Some of them are very nice. I believe I have no chance of convincing anyone of anything if my purpose on these threads is to fire off the most creative insult. I have observed that many of the nasty remarks on these threads are two sided. I generally don't pile on to those posts when one is giving it as good as getting it. I do, however, find some to be unwarranted, such as the example that we are talking about. In it, I did my best to use that posters own remarks, as not to fall into the name calling game.

Here is where I stand on my beliefs regarding Christianity and evolution. I am a Christian. I am not a YEC. I do think it is possible that God could have created us that way. I also think it's possible that he could have taken longer. I think evolution does occur to a degree. I don't know what that degree is. I think God is glorious and great. I Love him with all my heart! He has blessed me and sustained me throughout my life. I will proclaim Him.

There have been two instances in which I have disagreed with a fellow Christian. Once was when one of them was insulting a fellow poster. I did not insult back. My post to him was a reminder that we represent our Lord on these threads. Sometimes one must take a stand, but insults, and derogatory behavior do not further a cause. The other was a disagreement over interpretation. That poster is entitled to his/her opinion, as am I. We will just have to disagree. Creation is not what salvation is based upon.

This is my feeling about scripture. Some evos do not give any authority to the Bible. If I post scripture for the sole purpose of condemning them, I have not acted in love. And, sense they may not give authority to the Bible, my post would have done little to change, and much to offend. An offended person is usually a closed minded one. I think it is far better to befriend, and gain respect so that one might be able to have a conversation in which the other is open minded enough to consider what is being said.

I really like Paul. I think he was one smart guy, with amazing conviction and faith. This is one of my favorite.

1 Corinthians 9
19Though I am free and belong to no man, I make myself a slave to everyone, to win as many as possible. 20To the Jews I became like a Jew, to win the Jews. To those under the law I became like one under the law (though I myself am not under the law), so as to win those under the law. 21To those not having the law I became like one not having the law (though I am not free from God's law but am under Christ's law), so as to win those not having the law. 22To the weak I became weak, to win the weak. I have become all things to all men so that by all possible means I might save some. 23I do all this for the sake of the gospel, that I may share in its blessings.


If you would like to go back and reread any of my post you will find that I do ask questions of the evos, and I usually get polite, and thorough answers. I read them, and decide how and if it fits with creation. I generally do not post my opinion of this, unless someone asks. Sometimes, I don't know how it fits. I generally do not disagree with science because I do not know enough about it to, first know if I disagree, and second, make an effective argument if i did. I do disagree when there are posts that I perceive as blanket statements that God doesn't exist. This is philosophical, and can not be argued for, or against by science. You will find some interesting exchanges between me and other posters on this matter. I did not get on these threads to pick a fight. That is not productive in my view. You will find no post in which I proclaim evolution, in meaning anything other than change, to be true. I do think it may be possible that God did create us in this manner, just as it may be possible that we were created in the way a YEC would proclaim, or some other interpretation as well. Once again, I do not think it is part of God's plan of salvation. I am more interested in opening a fellow poster mind up to the possibility of God, so that they may seek him out on their own, then being right about the manner in which we were created.

Now Wolf, I can tell from your post that your faith is of great importance to you. I admire, and respect that. You and I may not agree on some things. That does not mean we are against each other, only that there are some things we don't see the same way. I'm not carrying an evo flag. I'm not carrying a "I'm right about creation flag" either. I am a Christian. I will always present myself as such. I will do my best to behave in such a manner. If I mess up, which we all do, then I am sorry. I ask God for forgiveness, and guidance. I make a point to pray, each time I get on these threads. I do not wish my actions to misrepresent God, and cause someone to close their heart and mind to Him.

I am glad I saw your post so that I was able to address this perception of me.
315 posted on 04/18/2006 9:35:29 AM PDT by Conservative Texan Mom (Some people say I'm stubborn, when it's usually just that I'm right.)
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