Posted on 04/11/2006 4:46:47 AM PDT by Liz
Yeah. That'll work.
Sheesh. What a non-starter of an idea.
Some Immigrants Are Offering Social Security Numbers for Rent NY Times | 6/7/2005 | EDUARDO PORTER
FR Posted on 06/06/2005 11:57:25 PM EDT by nj26
Gerardo Luviano is looking for somebody to rent his Social Security number. Mr. Luviano, 39, obtained legal residence in the United States almost 20 years ago. But these days, back in Mexico, teaching beekeeping at the local high school in this hot, dusty town in the southwestern part of the country, Mr. Luviano is not using his Social Security number.
So he is looking for an illegal immigrant in the United States to use it for him - providing a little cash along the way. "I've almost managed to contact somebody to lend my number to," Mr. Luviano said. "My brother in California has a friend who has crops and has people that need one."
Mr. Luviano's pending transaction is merely a blip in a shadowy yet vibrant underground market. Virtually undetected by American authorities, operating below the radar in immigrant communities from coast to coast, a secondary trade in identities has emerged straddling both sides of the Mexico-United States border. The number of people participating in the illegal deals is impossible to determine accurately.
But it is clearly significant, flourishing despite efforts to combat identity fraud. "There are people who live in Mexico who take $4,000 or $5,000 in unemployment in the off season," said Jorge Eguiluz, a labor contractor working in the fields around Stockton, Calif. "They just lend the number during the season." The deals also generate cash in other ways. Most identity lending happens within an extended family, or among immigrants from the same hometown. But it is still a hard-nosed transaction. Illegal immigrant workers usually earn so little they are owed an income tax refund at the end of the year. The illegal immigrant "working the number" will usually pay the real owner by sharing the tax refund.
(Excerpt) Read more. From the article: Since legal American residents can lose their green cards if they stay outside the country too long, for those who have returned to Mexico it is useful to have somebody working under their identity north of the border. "There are people who live in Mexico who take $4,000 or $5,000 in unemployment in the off season," said Jorge Eguiluz, a labor contractor working in the fields around Stockton, Calif. "They just lend the number during the season." The deals also generate cash in other ways. Most identity lending happens within an extended family, or among immigrants from the same hometown. But it is still a hard-nosed transaction.
Illegal immigrant workers usually earn so little they are owed an income tax refund at the end of the year. The illegal immigrant "working the number" will usually pay the real owner by sharing the tax refund. "Sometimes the one who is working doesn't mind giving all the refund, he just wants to work," said Fernando Rosales, who runs a shop preparing income taxes in the immigrant-rich enclave of Huntington Park, Calif. "But others don't, and sometimes they fight over it. We see that all the time. It's the talk of the place during income tax time."
The income tax "refund" is almost certainly generated by Earned Income Tax Credit (EITC) fraud, which as a "legal resident" the number renter would qualify to receive, especially if they have have or claim children. The EITC is a "refundable tax credit, which means the IRS will pay it out even if no taxes have been withheld or paid in. So the IRS gives filers who claim the EITC "refunds," even if they have had no taxes withheld. These number renters can claim up to $4,400 for the 2005 tax year in EITC "refunds," most of the number renters probably claim this maximum refund.
The Additional Child Tax Credit is another "refundable" credit which is no doubt routinely claimed by these renters.For 2005, if the number renter claimed $14,400 in wage income, and three children, between the EITC and the Additional Child Tax Credit the renter would, without having any taxes withheld from wages, receive a tax "refund" of $4,898, plus have $892 credited to Social Security; in addition to the potential of thousands of dollars in California unemployment compensation.
According to the C.I.A. the current population in the United States is 295,734,134.
The estimated population of the illegal "immigrants" is 11,000,000 to 13,000,000. Based on the larger figure of 13,000,000 they make up a bit over 4% of the total population here. Let's not forget that.
For them to be parading around demanding their rights is a bit foolhardy isn't it? We didn't invite them here. They should remember this when they go on a rant. Nor would they or could they get away with this type of anarchy in the countries they left to get here. They are 'uninvited' guests. While this issue is being decided they should remember that!
What irritates me is that there are millions, if not billions, of people living in such repressed areas as Bangladesh, Ghana, Somalia, and Washington, DC that share the same dreams of bettering themselves and sharing in the American Dream.
Why are we not opening our borders to these forgotten millions?
Maybe Mexico will take them in. After all, who is doing the work down there that the remaining affluent locals won't do?
I'm not the one stooping to the liberal tactic of personal invective.
I'm asking a serious, reasonable question: how to identify the illegals? Your answer is "call the INS"....how very unhelpful. It would be nice if we lived in a fantasy world where your proposal would work. But, frankly, I worked with MANY fine American citizens of Mexican, Latino and Asian origin. Many have been here for generations. It would be preposterously insulting to presume by their names or appearance that they are illegal. (My name is French...I guess I would qualify too).
In case you hadn't noticed, I agree with the principal that the borders must be secured, illegals must go home, immigration must be controlled at reasonable levels (with US doing the controlling), and citizen-applicants must assimilate. What do you disagree with? I'm merely pointing out the shortcomings of all the proposed solutions: without a reliable system of identification, we're just spinning our wheels. I've said how I would do it. Would you (or someone) PLEASE spell out for me just HOW you propose we sort out the illegals from the legals? I would appreciate it.
Right----and we should let in 30% of Nigerians b/c they will bring in all the assets of those emails from Nigerian General Kachinga Cheatchusuckah and his cousins........and there's all the Enron barges. We can't lose on this one (/sarc).
LaRaza is a member of the U.N. LaRaza probably gets funding from the U.N. and the U.S. This is part of the new world order.
Thanks, Ev you are correct!
Greetings from the Arizona border!!
Are you in Iowa?
Perhaps you haven't read my earlier post where I described my proposal. It's very similar to yours, though I would make it more than a social security card...mine could also be used to determine voter eligibility.
But your answer sort of makes my point. Without a technologically advanced card, available ONLY to legal residents, there's no reasonable way to identify the illegals. These proposals that rely on self-identification are a joke.
These illegals don't want to assimilate, they just want to take advantage of our economy. That's the message you get when they go around acting like they want to colonize the U.S. for Mexico (which they are in the process of doing). And what's worse, our unprotected borders are open to criminals and terrorists! We need a fence and border reinforcements now.
Well, the politicians still don't seem to get it. They're in a tough position, poor girls, they're afraid to stand up to the mob but they KNOW they're about to get replaced if they don't. They're dancing as fast as they can.
I worry about the illegal voters too, but I suspect the mestizos are like the youth vote. They talk big, they complain loud, but they don't make it to the polls when the time comes. I heard on the radio the other day (Roger Hedgecock, I think, but not sure) that 70% of them drop out of school, the luxurious schools that we provide for their pleasure.
and some wonder why Cinco de mayo is a bigger deal to them than the 4th of July?
None of them are valid. You know this.
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