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To: pby

you can take the creator to mean whatever you want. I do not find the words of bronze age goat herders comforting (as to a final reward), nor do I consider what is written in the bible, either old or new to be necessarily the word of God. It may be, neither I or you know. Your happen to believe and faith is strong, so in that sense, you "KNOW" it is true.

I do believe most of what is written in the old and new testaments is good solid moral truths that need to be adhered to for the sake of society.

but please don't call me a liberal. I am not. and please do not connect me with the ACLU. I take that as slander.

People came to North America in that part of new world, which ultimately became the US, to escape religions persecution of the european despots. Seems to me your trying to revive that persecution.


1,152 posted on 04/13/2006 2:18:38 PM PDT by Vaquero ("An armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: Vaquero
It is historical fact that the Creator mentioned in the Declaration of Independence is the God of the Bible.

Attempts to revise, or muddy, the historicity of that fact ("you can take the creator to mean whatever you want") are akin to arguments made by liberals and the ACLU.

When the Creator associated with the Declaration of Independence is mentioned (or the God of the Pledge of Allegiance)...Who is it that makes similar claims to the ones made in post #988 and/or makes claims that someone is trying to revive religious persecution (or even the claim that someone is attempting to create a theocracy)?

Hint...These claims are certainly not consistent with conservatism (and your claims are hysterical...almost like Cynthia McKinney's claims of inappropriate stopping - they have no basis in fact)

Again...(in opposition to what you alleged/reasoned) it is not discriminatory, nor persecutory, nor infringement on one's constitutionally-guaranteed religious freedoms to state, with historical accuracy, that the Creator of the Declaration of Independence, the Establisher of our rights, is the God of the Bible.

(though...only in a liberal's world of revised history)

1,165 posted on 04/14/2006 6:26:38 PM PDT by pby
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