In Congress, GOP regrets that harsh bill was last word

I can't believe I have to explain this to you, but here goes anyway.

The LASD is authorized to operate within the county of Los Angeles. Although there are parts that are incorporated and patroled by city police departments, the LASD still overlaps to a certain degree. Is it inserting it's authority there on a daily basis? Not in total, but it stilll makes certain arrests where suspects float across the dividing lines between incorporated an non-incorported areas. There are also areas where as many as three departments work within the same jurisdiction. On Foothill in La Crescenta you'll find the Glendale PD, the LASD and the California Highway Patrol.

Now although police departments do partol certain areas, and do make the arrests, many of their prisoners move into the LASD pool within days. These smaller areas don't have jails capable of handling large prisioner populations. I don't believe the LAPD's prisonor population does into the county jail as a whole, but I wouldn't be surprised if some do.

This is nothing more than a red hering issue though, since no matter what the exact base of the LASD operations, it is still operating on U.S. soil and coming into contact with U.S. Citizens, legal foreign nationals and illegal immigrants. Which one is over-represented? We have already determined that.

A Los Angeles Times article stated that of 170,000 inmates passing through the LASD County Jail system in 2003, 40,000 were illegal immigrants.

You can snort, moan, groan, stomp your feet, throw a hissy fit or any of a myriad of different things, it's not going to change the facts concerning this issue.

I used the McDonald report to address the percentage of homicide and felony warrants outstanding. That's another issue.

Yes, I followed his link and I am aware of all of them.

Since I have to explain everything else to you, as if I took you to raise, I might as well explain this also.

At the time, INS was trying to inflate the numbers. There are two scholarly sources on that linksearch that point out that the numbers are erroneous. In fact one points out that INS documents show that only 80,000 were deported from the San Antonio Sector, which is everything east of El Paso. If you look at agriculture there, the only thing remaining is the Rio Grande Project.

The other number that was exaggerated by INS at the time was the number if illegals that self deported because of fear of being deported. Ther are two reasons we know this is inaccurate.

First, these illegals were making relatively good wages and would have stayed to the end for the money. Second, they would rather be deported becuse the US would pay for the ride and it would be a better ride.

Today, there are two groups who want to exaggerate the numbers. First, the lefties want to show how mean and bad the US was to do this. Second, the deportem crowd is trying to show that deporting 12 million is feasible.

If you use common sense it is rediculous. The area available for agriculture is not that big. Even smaller in the scale of 60 years ago. Also the numbers are unbeievable if you compare them to the quota of AgJobs which would provide agricultural labor for the entire US today.

"What is wrong with it being a felony?"

Oh, but that's so "NOT COMPASSIONATE CONSERVATISM" and that's what the GOP is selling these days....snake oil for the easily lead....socialism-lite. Nonsense. They should be felons, deportable felons, that are deported.

I called my Congress critter, my senators, and Frist and Hastert and told them: 1. They are first and foremost ILLEGAL. What part of that don't you understand? It's the governments job to ENFORCE immigration law. 2. Build the FREAKIN walls (NORTH and SOUTH), 3. Throw them out. None of that provoked a response.

I then told them that this is THE issue that will hand the House, Senate and Whitehouse to the Dems. That really seemed to get their attention. I told them to find their spines....among other things.

That is accurate as I know it, and as you point out, it is different arrangement from most county/munincipal arrangements. But you left out LAPD BTW, it is nice to see you posting the accurate numbers that I had to correct.

That is the fallacy/misinfo of your argument

There are two scholarly sources on that linksearch that point out that the numbers are erroneous.

There was that Texas Handbook, and that's pretty much it. Every other source for several pages lists at least a million. PBS (3.8 million) and Encarta ("several million") aren't exactly fly-by-night operations. Not that they can't be wrong, but the burden really is on you to show it. Even the source you're relying on here really only disputes one number put out by the INS: the number of illegals who self-deported in advance of the operation. That's it.

The other number that was exaggerated by INS at the time was the number if illegals that self deported because of fear of being deported. Ther are two reasons we know this is inaccurate.

You yourself are neglecting two things: First, Op Wetback split apart families of illegals, and once that happened, those that remained wanted to go back. Second, as your own source (the Texas Handbook) notes, "A major concern of the operation was to discourage reentry by moving the workers far into the interior."

And that's assuming that the ride itself really would be substantially better than going back on their own. Being crammed into box cars for however many hours, going who-knows-where, doesn't sound like the most pleasant trip I can think of.

I used the McDonald article, which you furnished me, to point out that virtually everyone disputes/contradicts your foolish attempts to mingle illegal aliens and Criminal aliens. Which makes your use of exaggerated and uncredible data on crime in LA County irrelevant because the crime committed there has more to do with criminal aliens than illegal aliens. That is the fallacy/misinfo of your argument.

We were talking about the over-representation of crime committed by illegal aliens, vs the populace at large. If you were to break out criminal (illegal aliens) from illegal aliens, that would mean that there were zero crimes committed by illegal aliens. That simply isn't true and if you think about it I think you see the absurdity of your arguement.

The other source(that I was referring to) in Spiff's google search was a website dealing with the entire history of legal and illegal immigration from Mexico. It was in the first few pages of hits. Likely a good ref site.

Of course the deportation impacted personal and community relations established by the illegals while they were here.

Riding in a box car would not be my choice of transportation, but it is better than riding on top of the boxcar. Plus, they would have been immune from railroad security.

I never said that illegal aliens don't have a crime rate. Based on statistics, we could, generally, say that hispanics have higher crime rate than whites and that iilegal hispanics have a higher rate than legal hispanics or native born hispanics.

But these rates are not any where near the crime rate of criminal aliens.

Additionally, the likelihood that an illegal alien will commit a crime is more dependent on the age bracket that he falls into rather than being an illegal hispanic. Whatever the race/ ethic group, the 19-28 year bracket commit most of the crime.

On the other thread, I mentioned that the US crime rate is generally falling. You agreed, tho you indicated you didn't know why. Simple, we are getting older. The median age in the US is about 36, well above the high crime rate age bracket. As we continue to age, the crime rate will continue to fall.

OTOH, the median age in Mexico is 25, close to the middle of the high crime bracket. Based on this, we would say that the average immigrant, legal or illegal, coming from mexico would have a higher crime rate than the average native born in the US.

But the illegals coming from Mexico are not the average/median age. The majority of the illegals are in the 19-28 year bracket because we need the younger aged to do the hot-hard-nasty jobs.

Since about 82% of the illegals are hispanic, we would say that illegals aliens are going to have a higher crime rate based on being hispanic. To this we add the fact most are in the high crime bracket so they will have a higher crime rate for that reason also.

But still, no where near the crime rate of criminal aliens.

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