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To: cva66snipe
"Oh yea I get it you mean like General William T. Sherman USA. Yes his march to the sea was very civilized indeed"

Sherman's objective was to punish the South and beat them into submission. There were no laws or regulations at the time to prevent him doing what he did. Times have changed.

547 posted on 04/12/2006 10:42:35 PM PDT by Rokke
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To: Rokke
Sherman's objective was to punish the South and beat them into submission. There were no laws or regulations at the time to prevent him doing what he did. Times have changed.

In a way they have changed. Those engaging us in war no longer understand what Sherman and many others did. There is no such thing as a kinder gentler war. Trying to fight a war as such is actually immoral and goes against Judeo/Christian teachings. Am I making this up? No it's spelled out clearly in the Bible the boundaries of war. Every Commanding General and Admiral through WW2 understood what war required as did the leaders. Meaning what? Meaning we won wars.

Rules of engagement in war? Kill the enemy before they kill you first. Either fight them into UNCONDITIONAL Surrender or eliminate them. Anything else or any other type of war is wrong. War is hell and war should if at all possible be a last resort.

So how can we avoid war? Several ways. Surrender before it starts? Hum did Washington? Oh BTW did you know that General Washington's battle plans were considered to be barbaric and uncivilized? Gentlemen soldiers under the crown marched in formation and shot in formation. How dare the colonist hide behind trees. The same in the war of 1812.

Next option? Form a peace treaty with the threatening nation? Washington warned us of such and that is why IMO the Geneva Conventions was a major mistake for the U.S. It let others set our rules for war. No nation has that right.

How about a covert action? The least messy and costly in lives but sometimes just not practical. The last man who understood what it took to keep us out of war was Reagan. He built the most powerfull military since WW2 and it played a major role to brake the back of the Communist Soviet Union. The man who bought us most of our woes now in the M.E.? Gerald R Ford and his kindler gentler treatment of foreign thug terrorist supporting dictators having an EO protecting them from assination. Check the stats against his EO and the rise in third war terrorist attacks.

OK back on the subject. How can we stop a Cultural Civil War from happening in the United States. Note I said cultural because that is what it would be IF it happened. The only way to stop it is by strict Immigration Control. For over 30 years now that has not taken place. I'm not anti-imigration. But ones in the United States illegally now should be bused, put on a ship, etc, to their nation of origin unl;ess there is substantial risk to their life and then we have conditions to cover that.

Immigrants from all nations need to drop their I'm a name a nationality/American. You either come here to be an American and that means meeting requirements that we even place on our own children meaning learning English and America History. That is by no means being cruel. It is bring persons to this nation to be Americans and not some illegitimate form of a hyphenated culture as is going on now mainly from illegals from Mexico.

Limit the numbers per year to what our economy can tolerate. Require proper waiting times. Require health screenings. Require a renouncing of allegiance & citizenship of nation they left.

This is by no means the immigrants of what came here from Europe in the late 1800's early 1900's. Did you know that the parents of The Threee Stooges {Howard Brothers} were Romanian Immigrants? Their parents came her to be Americans. They didn't come here to start New Romania.

What I really can't understand is Republicans drooling over the prospect of opening the borders for illegals as if this is going to bring them a voting jackpot. No it's going to bring them voters {the ones that do bother} that vote in Socialist just as they did back home and not stand against the corruption of those leaders. That is why Mexico has the government it does now. They tolerate the Communist and the tyrants who simply just wish to extort and pillage their land.

Look at this also. How long before the illegals demand Affirmative Action Programs? You see this right here is why we may well see a Cultural Civil War but no one wants to mention it. How many groups and sub groups of cultures can the U.S. support via Affirmative Action Programs. I'll be blunt. When others start seeing even the low skill low paying jobs which feeds their families taken away we will see problems.

So what might happen? The current race baiting poverty pimps telling their flock that the illegals took their jobs? Or maybe this? Someone like The Nation of Islam uniting all minority cultures into one common hate? Hating who? Well, Duh who's left? To say it can't happen is foolish and niave. If any of it happens who will be fighting who and where? This won't be like the 1860's Civil War fought on Battle Fields. This will be on everystreet USA and every community as each sect grabs their piece of turf to organize whatever new nation they are going to call it.

What has help the United States Of America together besides Divine Province is the Patriotism and Union of those wishing to live under one nation of individual states joined together. I looked on TV at the protest. Persons waving Mexican and other national flags demanding we change for them is not going to set well with the common bond that formed and held this nation together. They don't want to be American Citizens they want South West USA back as part of Mexico. Read their signs!

Trying to understand the realities of what the current proposals for immigration are and the likely drastic cause and effect it can have on all Americans is not being racist it is using good old fashioned common sense. The same with an in depth look as to a possible civil war because it seems one group of people is not going to be held to the standards of others and given prefered treatment by our government.

I don't support such disasters as affirmative action as I believe it further enslaves people. I was also one of the Alan Keyes supporters in this forum in the 2000 elections. I don't care what a persons skin color or race is. My issue is why someone wants to come to the USA to live & work and will they be bound by the same standard of the laws as me?

So far illegals have had an In Your Face attitude at nearly all of our laws from border crossing, to traffic laws, to even felonies in some cases. They forget they are guest here even though they are uninvited. Can I come to your house and set the rules? You would resent it. No any smart person would toss such a demander out of their home. {Ah there's the answer right there} and tell them to come back only if and when they will act as respectable guest in which case they can be treated as family. The Mexican and other nation flag waving and demands is by no means getting them off to a good start. Many resent their arrogance and count me among them.

558 posted on 04/13/2006 12:08:11 AM PDT by cva66snipe (If it was wrong for Clinton why do some support it for Bush? Party over nation destroys the nation.)
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