[Jack Hammer]

Yeah - change from alive to dead.

[OldFriend]

The left considers anything bad for America to be good for their agenda.

Islam is the plague epidemic of our time.

[Steely Tom]

They hope that... Islam can be tamed... that soft porn and state education will convert the Muslims’ offspring to the general multiculturalist melange.

[In this] the Leftists are making a colossal miscalculation.

I don't think this is the case. I think the Left is in "Howl" mode, a la Allen Ginsberg. Having lost their god when the Soviet Union collapsed, they are striking out against all of humanity, starting with humanities best achievement and principle hope, the West. They desire suicide for themselves and every other human being on the earth. Like Hitler in his final days, they have decided that mankind is not worthy of their vision for its destiny, and so mankind is not worthy of the privilege of continued existence. This is the final resolution of their fantasy of Man-as-god. Their last stand.

(steely)

[rbg81]

Leftists are making a colossal miscalculation. Far from being the clients of their future global welfare state, the Muslims—in the Western world in particular—will be the agents of revolutionary change not only against the remnants of Christianity today, but also against the secularist, multicultural Utopia of tomorrow.

I am not sure I agree with him on this point--I think the Left knows exactly what it is doing. Part of the reason Islam is so appealing to the Left is that the Mullahs have close to absolute control over their adherents. The Left must salivate at the thought of having that level of control over the populace. After all, if you can convince someone to be a suicide bomber, convincing them to pay higher taxes should be a piece of cake. If they can find a way to combine Islam with Communism (not a far trip IMHO) they've got it made.

[ncountylee]

an utterly transcendent Allah that cannot be “known” and doesn’t “reach out” to man or man to him.

So...it's all upon the filthy rantings of the filthy, illiterate, pedophile prophet?

No thanks.

[alpha-8-25-02]

"The reason is that the Left sees Islam as a de facto ally—as Marxists would say, an “objective ally”—in the destruction of the vestiges of the traditional society based upon Christianity and its moral code, and traditional cultural patterns. So what they are doing is using Islam as the battering ram and as a would-be fellow-traveler, in their grand anti-Christian, Christophobic design. They hope that once they create their brave, new multiculturalist Utopia, Islam can be tamed, that soft porn and state education will convert the Muslims’ offspring to the general multiculturalist melange. "

"At the theological level, the fundamental difference is the absence of love. It needs to be understood that Islam’s denial of the Trinity creates a completely different world outlook. “Allah begets not,” i.e. he is no Father, and “is not begotten,” i.e. he is no Son, and no one is like him, i.e. no Holy Spirit. The utterly . . . not only “monotheistic” but monistic image of the world under an unreachable, unknowable god, creates the kind of spiritual uniformity that ultimately results in both cultural and social-economic wasteland that is the Muslim world today."

THE ATTACHED ARTICLE ABOUT SAYS IT ALL.THE LIBERAL SO CALLED CHRISTIAN EMBRACEMENT OF LEFT LEANING THEOLOGICAL AND POLITICAL IDEAOLOGY IS A WOLF IN SHEEPS CLOTHING.THE WORLD COUNCIL OF CHURCHES WHICH ECUSA,PCUSA,CHURCH OF CHRIST,LDS,UNITARIAN,UNIVERSALIST AND ON AND ON SO-CALLED CHRISTIAN CHURCHES BELONG TOO ARE PART AND PARCEL TO THIS.

Matthew 7:6
Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.

Matthew 7:22
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

Matthew 7:23
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

I STRONGLY ADVISE DISCERNMENT IN EMBRACEING ALL WHO CALL THEMSELVES CHRISTIAN AS BRETHREN.

GODSPEED!

p.s. sorry for any double pings

[Leisler]

We know they’re wrong because we know that second and third-generation Muslim immigrants in Western Europe, particularly in France and Britain, are far more radical and far more Islamic-minded than their parents and grandparents. The explanation is very simple: the tepid, non-descript multiculturalist pap that is being offered by the dominant elites cannot inspire....

Wrong. The second and third generations ARE INSPIRED! Their parents were the scouts. The parents/first generations was to establish forward bases, ie families and ghettos and produce soldiers for Islam. These scouts were not to cause trouble, to lay low. The next generation is to actively seek out allies in the culture and to begin to undermine and test the society for weakness. This is what they have done in align with the left (future dhimmis, who will be needed to run mechanical services) This is a well worn and successfully. Since it is succeeding as it historically has, hence the high moral for the soldiers. The next phase will be continues infiltration, soldier production, changing scout positions into fortified bases, ie towns/cities, establishing sharia law where rest, training, instruction and soldier production can continue. In a phrase, Onward Muslim Soldiers!

[TXnMA]

...we need an absolute moratorium on the immigration of Muslims into both Western Europe and North America, coupled with the denial of citizenship to all practicing Muslims, the denial of security clearances, and the policy of systematic deportation of all jihadists activists.

Absolute incompatibility with the American way of life. Kick them out -- all of them! This guy "gets it"!

Zero muslims in America -- the only real answer...

[sauropod]

The reason is that the Left sees Islam as a de facto ally—as Marxists would say, an “objective ally”—

Daniel Pipes pointed this out this morning on F&F.

[Tribune7]

interesting. bump

[prairiebreeze]

the Left sees Islam as a de facto ally—as Marxists would say, an “objective ally”—in the destruction of the vestiges of the traditional society based upon Christianity and its moral code, and traditional cultural patterns. So what they are doing is using Islam as the battering ram and as a would-be fellow-traveler, in their grand anti-Christian, Christophobic design. They hope that once they create their brave, new multiculturalist Utopia, Islam can be tamed, that soft porn and state education will convert the Muslims’ offspring to the general multiculturalist melange.

ping

[layman]

To all intents and purposes Islam ought to be regarded as a violent political ideology rather than just a religious cult.

I would add that both their political and religious ideologies are fascist in nature. They are taught by their Mullahs that it is their relgioius obligation to impose their theocracy on the world. In short, they are poison.

[lentulusgracchus]

the Left sees Islam as a de facto ally—as Marxists would say, an “objective ally”—in the destruction of the vestiges of the traditional society based upon Christianity and its moral code, and traditional cultural patterns. So what they are doing is using Islam as the battering ram and as a would-be fellow-traveler, in their grand anti-Christian, Christophobic design. They hope that once they create their brave, new multiculturalist Utopia, Islam can be tamed.....

This should probably be the Quote of the Month.

[lentulusgracchus]

[Trifkovic, in article] All other forms of terrorism use it as an instrument in pursuit of some wider objective..... With Islam, terrorism is not only an instrument, a tool, it is also the core of policy itself. Terrorist violence is not only divinely sanctioned, it is divinely ordained.

• Judaism: Monotheism as conceived/received by a pastoral society.
• Christianity: Monotheism as conceived/received by a small-town and urban society.
• Islam: Monotheism as conceived/received by a nomadic trading-and-raiding society.

What we used to think of as conventional Islam, as practiced e.g. in the Comoros Islands, Zanzibar, and Malaysia and Indonesia represented the traders' tradition. Wahhabism represents the raiders' tradition.

Different societies => different norms => different results.

Can't wait to see what colossal, monolithic, technically-adept state despotism produces.

Oh, wait. The Nazis and Communists already showed us that. Thanks, guys. Never mind.

"Red-State" America (which should really be true-blue, not Commie red: the MSM trolls switched them because the symbolism was becoming embarrassingly obvious) is the last, best hope of civilized, clement humanity.

As Europe subsides into Leftist rot and ruin, to be beset by Islamic intolerance and terror-warfare, it looks like it's up to us to transmit some values to Asia and see if we can't propagate a happier way of living than the Islamists and socialists want to contemplate.

Good luck to us, in showing the Chinese anything.

[sageb1]

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