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Kyl: Parties are fractured (Over Border Issue)
Sierra Vista Herald, Sierra Vista Arizona ^ | Bill Hess

Posted on 04/09/2006 12:22:14 PM PDT by SandRat

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1 posted on 04/09/2006 12:22:20 PM PDT by SandRat
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To: SandRat

Apparently they don't mean the people when they think of "the parties".


2 posted on 04/09/2006 12:23:36 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Never a minigun handy when you need one.)
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To: HiJinx; Spiff; idratherbepainting; AZHSer; Sabertooth; Marine Inspector; A Navy Vet; ...

For your consideration and edification on the state of border politics.


3 posted on 04/09/2006 12:23:36 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: SandRat

I like my amnesty plan!
Please call them INVADERS and don't compare them to people who are legal aliens!
IF you aid and abet CRIMINALS, you are a criminal!

President Bush has been great on most things except for our border.
He has been great on the war on terrorists.
But on the border he is a gross failure.
He acted fast and correct on the 3,000+ people murdered at the world trade center.
He ignores the many rapes, murders and robberies which might be larger than the murders and money loss at the world trade center.
More Americans are abducted on the border of Mexico than in Iraq!

Start building the fence.
It should be made a felony for Criminals who overstay their visas and Invaders.

I believe we should give amnesty to these poor CRIMINALS or INVADERS.
This should be a 2 week amnesty to get the heck out of our Country.
The ones who ignore this amnesty should be buried in a tent city jail and fined $10,000 or buried elsewhere.
All aiders and abettors of these CRIMINALS or INVADERS should get 1 year in a tent city jail and a $10,000 fine for each CRIMINAL aided.
Those in government should be the first ones charged.


4 posted on 04/09/2006 12:27:43 PM PDT by HuntsvilleTxVeteran ("Remember the Alamo, Goliad and WACO")
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To: SandRat

"The spread of evil is the symptom of a vacuum. Whenever evil wins, it is only by default:
by the moral failure of those who evade the fact that there can be no compromise on basic principles."

AYN RAND


5 posted on 04/09/2006 12:31:46 PM PDT by HuntsvilleTxVeteran ("Remember the Alamo, Goliad and WACO")
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To: SandRat

We need REAL LEADERSHIP in House and Senate and come November let's get it.

In 2008 vote Tancredo.

There are 10 million liberal illegal socialists and 289 million of us voters, LET'S ROLL!


6 posted on 04/09/2006 12:33:40 PM PDT by stopem (There are 298 million of us! 10-20 million of them, WE will win!)
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To: SandRat

Bump!


7 posted on 04/09/2006 12:34:49 PM PDT by JustPiper (We will NOT be a COMPROMISE !!!)
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To: SandRat

Busounds like a lot of egos.
How the American people is not even be mentioned by any but our allies


8 posted on 04/09/2006 12:37:28 PM PDT by JustPiper (We will NOT be a COMPROMISE !!!)
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To: SandRat
Everyone interesed in this subject should read the article "Hidden Bombs," By Kris Kobach, former head of immigration in the Justice Department under AG Ashcroft.
9 posted on 04/09/2006 12:48:32 PM PDT by GarySpFc (Jesus on Immigration, John 10:1)
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To: SandRat

You know this border thing is really simple; although I don't believe some would understand. The only question you need to ask is if you are the same or are you different? And that goes for other agenda cry baby groups that feel that everything should be done for them only.


10 posted on 04/09/2006 1:23:30 PM PDT by freekitty
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To: stopem
Build the wall. Enforce existing immigration laws. Cancel the freebies. No new laws are needed, but the putrid leadership has to change. We are not being represented.

Americans are SICK of having Mexico shoved down our throats while being forced to pay the bills!

11 posted on 04/09/2006 1:25:28 PM PDT by janetgreen (The White House fiddles while America is invaded)
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To: GarySpFc
Read that. Hideous piece of treason that bill. Hope it stays dead.
12 posted on 04/09/2006 1:29:12 PM PDT by dagnabbit (George Bush deported my children to Amerexico.)
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To: janetgreen

After all these demonstrations they are having again and again imagine the bill to clean up after them yet another expense to the taxpayer.


13 posted on 04/09/2006 2:09:51 PM PDT by stopem (There are 298 million of us! 10-20 million of them, WE will win!)
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To: SandRat
The polidiots are still debating this in terms of political loss and gain.

The real cost will be a bloody civil war, Bosnia on steroids.

The polidiots will express shock and dismay.

"We had no idea! Nobody could have seen this coming!"


14 posted on 04/09/2006 2:23:28 PM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: SandRat

Where parties are fractured like this most intelligent politicians would recognize the issue as other than a partisan one and stop trying to fit it into the weird bipolar tribal model that seems to have been substituted for common sense these days. I'd love just once to see both parties try to work out a compromise that would work in the interest of the country rather than force the country to work for the interest of the political parties.


15 posted on 04/09/2006 2:30:40 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: SandRat

Look, it's pretty simple.

Democrats have an unhappy base comprised of union and/or black Americans that are against this.

Republicans have a base that demands law enforcement and/or culturla preservation.

This results in at least 2/3rd's of Americans against blanket amnesty with mere rhetoric given to border enforcement.

Both parties stand to lose because they are chasing a minority. For Republicans they are chasing the dream of a Majority of Hispanics voting for them in future even though Hispanics ahve a split about this, as well responding to the businesses that fund their campaigns.

Dems are responding to the slim Majority of a Minority, the slightly over half of Hispanics that favor this....and trying to bring in more Dem voters by making illegals "legal".

The right thing to do would be for both parties to call "uncle", stand in unison and do what the Majority of the American people want. It would be the simplest act as well.


16 posted on 04/09/2006 3:37:07 PM PDT by Soul Seeker ("No Illegal Alien Left Behind Act" - (quote: Jeff Sessions) - 4/6/06)
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The right thing to do would be for both parties to call "uncle", stand in unison and do what the Majority of the American people want. It would be the simplest act as well.

Unfortunately, that will happen about when monkeys fly out of thier butts. You're right on in your analysis, but there is too much acrimony on both sides for either one to make this happen. Too bad...because this sh*t is NOT going away, and it will get worse and worse until something is done. My fear is that even then it will be the wrong thing...


17 posted on 04/09/2006 5:44:02 PM PDT by Amalie (FREEDOM had NEVER been another word for nothing left to lose...)
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To: cripplecreek
Well, the American people don;t want immigration reform so much as we want immigration enforcement and secure borders.

Our government has been allowing Mexico to invade our country for some time, and we want that stopped.

18 posted on 04/09/2006 5:54:36 PM PDT by savedbygrace (SECURE THE BORDERS FIRST (I'M YELLING ON PURPOSE))
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To: cripplecreek; 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 3pools; 3rdcanyon; 4Freedom; ...


Something Different Ping!

The article is pretty good, as far as it goes, but the replies are better.

I don't recognize several of the posters as being regulars on illegal immigration threads, but I do recognize their position. The word is getting out.

19 posted on 04/09/2006 8:56:20 PM PDT by HiJinx (~ www.proudpatriots.org ~ Serving Those Who Serve Us ~ Operation Easter/Passover ~)
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran
"The spread of evil is the symptom of a vacuum. Whenever evil wins, it is only by default: by the moral failure of those who evade the fact that there can be no compromise on basic principles."

When an atheist starts making more sense than the US Senate, we have some very basic and profound problems.

20 posted on 04/09/2006 9:13:53 PM PDT by CowboyJay (Rough Riders! Tancredo '08)
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