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To: UnklGene

As I saw this woman last week in a convenience store where I had stopped to get gas. She told the clerk that she could not afford health insurance because it cost too much but she bought two cartons of cigs and two cases of beer and I said that was enough to pay for health insurance and almost got my head handed to me. Most are uninsured because they want to be and there is NO hospital that will turn away a patient whether they have insurance or not. So we have a vast number who are riding the horse of the tax paying public for their medical care. There are NO uninsured in the United States.


2 posted on 04/08/2006 12:45:45 PM PDT by YOUGOTIT
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To: YOUGOTIT
I don't have insurance because it cost 1200 bucks a month for me to be insured. I also pay my own bills which come to less monthly than would insurance payments for my "pre-existing" condition. No one picks up my tab except me and I resent your implications that everyone without insurance is a deadbeat, some of us can't afford insurance and two cartons of cigs and a case of beer won't cover the cost either. There are MANY uninsured in this country who pay their own way or just simply do without care.

Yes, many ILLEGALs and others use the ER for health care but many other people who don't have insurance pay their own way. Get your facts straight and stop using your emotions and "heresay" when you post.

4 posted on 04/08/2006 12:52:55 PM PDT by calex59
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To: YOUGOTIT
There really are a few, wealthy folks who are in good health and choose not to waste their money on health insurance ... just in case. They really fall into a categoy of being "self insured" ... i.e. they pay their own way.

Do you know how hospitals gouge them? They will charge $5,000 for a simple procedure ... the same procedure they will bill an insurer a couple of hundred dollars for ... so that one paying customer ends up paying for dozens of other uninsured folks to end up having the procedure for free.

This should be criminalized. The hospitals know they cannot turn away indigent patients and that those patients will not pay them. So they extort it from the folks who do pay their own way.

I am sure this will only grow worse in time.

5 posted on 04/08/2006 12:56:43 PM PDT by caryatid (Jolie Blonde, 'gardez donc, quoi t'as fait ...)
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To: YOUGOTIT

That's true for most young people who are healthy, a decent catastrophic plan will only run you about what your cable bill costs. However there are a decent amount of people who do work full time and make about 100-150% the FPL who happen to have developed an illness like say diabetes. Now there premium just went from around the cable bill to around say the rent. For about at least 1 in 5 of the uninsured the choice is rent or insurance. The other 75% are either twenty and thirty somethings who think nothing bad will ever happen to them so why piss $80 bucks down the drain or they are children of parents who are to cheap or irresponsible to buy them coverage in which children are the cheapest to insure.


7 posted on 04/08/2006 1:04:23 PM PDT by spikeytx86 (Pray for Democrats for they have been brainwashed by there fruity little club.)
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To: YOUGOTIT
. . .there is NO hospital that will turn away a patient whether they have insurance or not.

True. But after they admit him, then they will bill him for the full price of his treatment. All the doctors who treated him at the hospital (even those he never saw, like the pathologist, the radiologist, and the CRNA) will send him ginormous bills too. And if he can't pay them they will all take him to court and obtain a six-figure judgment against him. Of course, if he has a pre-existing condition he might not have been able to obtain health insurance at any price prior to this disaster, and he certainly won't be able to afterward.

11 posted on 04/08/2006 1:18:09 PM PDT by Capriole (The Anti-Feminist)
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To: YOUGOTIT
About the woman in the convenience store-it could be two cartons of cigs and two cases of beer would not pay for her insurance. If she could even get it in the first place. Insurance is extremely high.

I am shocked that you say most are uninsured because they want to be. Maybe you are right. Yesterday someone commented that most are unemployed because they want to be. Maybe it is me that is living in another world.
13 posted on 04/08/2006 1:30:04 PM PDT by A knight without armor
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To: YOUGOTIT
she bought two cartons of cigs and two cases of beer and I said that was enough to pay for health insurance and almost got my head handed to me.

And rightly so, I might add.

Last time I checked (about four years ago), it would cost me over $1000 a month to insure me and my family (wife & 1 child).

I know the price of cigarettes has gone up, but I doubt it's THAT much.

In the four years I've been self-employed, I've saved about $50,000.

When my wife needed wrist surgery, we found the price to be around $5000. When the bill came, they found out we were paying cash, they knocked it down to about $3000.

Don't assume that just because you check off the 30 bucks a month on your pay stub, that everyone is in the same boat.

20 posted on 04/08/2006 1:59:26 PM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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