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Gun Owned by Officer Is Fired by Son in Bus
Washington Post ^ | April 8, 2006 | Theresa Vargas

Posted on 04/07/2006 9:08:49 PM PDT by ncountylee

A 13-year-old boy showing off his father's gun in a crowded school bus Thursday afternoon accidentally fired it, with the bullet passing several students' heads but injuring no one, Prince William County police said yesterday.

The Woodbridge teenager, a student at Saunders Middle School in Manassas, faces criminal charges, and his father, a U.S. Park Police officer, is the subject of an internal investigation, authorities said.

Sgt. Dennis Mangan, a Prince William police spokesman, said that an investigation of the incident "revealed he didn't bring the gun to school to harm anyone, he just brought it to show off, and the gun went off accidentally. It was just lucky that he didn't have it pointed at anyone."

The gun, police added, had been at the school that day.

"It remained there all day, but no one reported it," Associate Superintendent Alison Nourse-Miller said. "We are tremendously grateful that no one was hurt but horrified that this incident could ever have happened."

The teenager, whom police are not naming because he is a juvenile, was charged in family court with reckless handling of a firearm and possession of a firearm on school property. The boy will not be allowed to attend school until the School Board decides a penalty, and the student to whom he was showing the gun also was suspended because he did not report it before it was discharged. Expulsion is possible, district spokesman Phil Kavits said.

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1 posted on 04/07/2006 9:08:51 PM PDT by ncountylee
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Similar incidents, without having the gun fired, have resulted in child endangerment charges against the parents.

Anyone think that that will happen here?

2 posted on 04/07/2006 9:09:13 PM PDT by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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Why hasn't Papa taught the kid boo about gun safety. Oh wait, it's a cop.


3 posted on 04/07/2006 9:10:19 PM PDT by The Red Zone
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To: The Red Zone

The bullet passed through several students' heads - but, as these were completely empty, did not injure anyone. Long life pablik idukashn!


4 posted on 04/07/2006 9:17:33 PM PDT by GSlob
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To: The Red Zone
Why hasn't Papa taught the kid boo about gun safety. Oh wait, it's a cop.

Please elaborate, as most "cops" do teach their children gun safety, as most responsible gun owners should. Just because this guy is a cop means he doesn't teach his kid correctly? Kids will do stupid things, even if they have been taught differently.
5 posted on 04/07/2006 9:17:58 PM PDT by phoenix0468 (http://www.mylocalforum.com -- Go Speak Your Mind.)
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You are in a thread where the posters are "whatever-the-cop-does-is-wrong" would-be McKinney supporters. Don't expect a bunch of reasoned discourse... they're too busy trying to figure out ways to "stick it to the man."


6 posted on 04/07/2006 9:36:59 PM PDT by Triggerhippie (Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose.)
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To: Triggerhippie

Oh, loosen your tie-dyed neckerchief, then when you can breathe again tell us what happens by evolution when a certain class of gun owners get treated with kid gloves when they Screw up vs. all others getting railroaded for it. Riiiiiight.


7 posted on 04/07/2006 9:46:33 PM PDT by The Red Zone
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Oh, loosen your tie-dyed neckerchief, then when you can breathe again tell us what happens by evolution when a certain class of gun owners get treated with kid gloves when they Screw up vs. all others getting railroaded for it.

Try to not engage in collectivist thinking. "A certain class of gun owners"? I know that you're not a DU person, why do you want to use their "class warfare" model?

We don't have enough facts to make any informed statements about this situation. It may be that the Park Ranger left his weapon out. It may be that the 13 year old had to get the weapon from a location that the Ranger believed to be secure. We don't know.

What we do know is that automatically blaming the cop is, historically, the modus operandi of Cynthia McKinney, the DU, and other leftists. Why side with them, FRiend?

Tie-dyed neckerchief? LOL!

8 posted on 04/07/2006 10:10:53 PM PDT by Triggerhippie (Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose.)
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To: ncountylee

I wonder if it was a Glock.


9 posted on 04/07/2006 10:17:57 PM PDT by OldEagle (May you live long enough to hear the legends of your own adventures.)
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To: ncountylee

Maybe the gun control advocates should focus on taking guns away from the cops? Make them carry them in the holster with a trigger lock on it? ;)

Seriously though.. we had a local undersheriff (aka a chief deputy in some places) who was showing off to a couple young ladies one evening. He was wowing them about how you can hold pressure against the muzzle of a .45 colt auto. and how doing so will push the barrel back a bit and keep the gun from firing. Where it got interesting is when he relesed the pressure from the end of the barrel, but had not released the trigger. BLAMM! Big smoking hole thru the palm of his hand.


10 posted on 04/07/2006 10:35:15 PM PDT by AnnoyedOne
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If the circumstances for two instances are identical but one parent is a police office, the chances of the 'civilian' parent being charged with something is much higher. IMO
11 posted on 04/07/2006 10:36:06 PM PDT by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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The little window on this kind of thing afforded by the MSM, seems to bear that out. The cop, statistically speaking, won't be slapped as hard for a mishap as will a honest-but-careless nonpolice gun owner. The latter is much more likely to find himself or herself a non-gun owner in short order. Police unions might have some role in this "comedy."


12 posted on 04/07/2006 10:40:37 PM PDT by The Red Zone
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The cop, statistically speaking, won't be slapped as hard for a mishap as will a honest-but-careless nonpolice gun owner

I cannot speak for other parts of the country, but what I have seen with the police in our county, you are absolutely right. Just to give an example, a few years ago, two of our deputies were caught by a Missouri Hiway Patrol, drag racing two new county cop cars down U.S. Hwy 71. I kid ya not! Their punishment? 2 weeks suspension WITH PAY.

I am sick of seeing public servants, from cops all the way up to presidents who commit perjury before a grand jury, getting off for what you or I would go to jail for. Public servants, due to their position, should be held to a HIGHER level of accountability, and should have DOUBLE the sentence the common citizen would incur. This cop should pay a greater penalty than a civilian, since as a trained professional he should KNOW BETTER.

13 posted on 04/07/2006 11:57:37 PM PDT by AnnoyedOne
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To: ncountylee

woops.


14 posted on 04/08/2006 12:21:19 AM PDT by GodfearingTexan
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To: AnnoyedOne

take the guns away from the police and tell them they still have to do their job-like bloomberg he don't need armed police because guns are to dangerous-let them see what the real world is like for the rest of the people-


15 posted on 04/08/2006 12:25:00 AM PDT by catmanblack. (he is the great I AM-)
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To: GSlob

"The bullet passed through several students' heads - but, as these were completely empty, did not injure anyone."

LOL, I read it that way at first too!

It's all horseplay until someone gets hurt.


16 posted on 04/08/2006 1:30:50 AM PDT by jocon307 (The Silent Majority - silent no longer)
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To: Triggerhippie

" What we do know is that automatically blaming the cop is, historically, the modus operandi of Cynthia McKinney, the DU, and other leftists. Why side with them, FRiend? "

Not quite, the sentiment here is that when a cop effs up, they get a slap on the wrist. When John Q, effs up, don't freakin pass go, don't collect 200 dollars, straight to the big house and then we throw away the key.

That's the sentiment.

Now as far as freepers being anti cop, I don't think that is the case as much as freepers are anti "the kings men" attitudes of a lot of those in law enforcement.


17 posted on 04/08/2006 5:52:35 AM PDT by Al Gator (Remember always to pillage BEFORE you burn!)
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To: ncountylee
This is what happens when kids are kept from guns.

Had this kid been taken to the range more often, then made to clean the thing afterwords, all the mystique and mystery would gone and the firearm would be just another tool.

Keeping kids from shooting, like the idiot anti's want to do, only causes this problem to be worse.
18 posted on 04/08/2006 5:57:12 AM PDT by Al Gator (Remember always to pillage BEFORE you burn!)
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To: ncountylee

When it does, you will already be on another thread, claiming some other LEO is getting preferential treatment.


19 posted on 04/08/2006 5:59:26 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Al Gator
the sentiment here is that when a cop effs up, they get a slap on the wrist.

The only problem with that is that it's not the truth...

When a cop screws up, typically, his career is over. Defense attorneys would have a field day with any cop who has screwed up and at some later date has to testify against someone. In situations where an officer fouls up, the Department usually starts looking for his replacement.

I've seen it take as little as not filling out paperwork about two kids calling each other names and being told to go home. That officer lost a career over a non-incident. Real situations usually involve law suits.

In your job if you make a mistake, you probably won't get fired, sued, or arrested (not to mention the opportunity to get shot or stabbed if you really mess up).

I suspect that I know a helluva lot more cops than most here on FR. I know of only two with the "king's men" complex you're talking about. I don't subscribe to that thinking, but I understand it.

If you had to deal with hostile criminals, a non-supportive agency, and people who automatically blame the cops when anything goes wrong, you might understand that mentality a bit better. It might help to not paint with such a broad brush too...

20 posted on 04/08/2006 6:15:23 AM PDT by Triggerhippie (Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose.)
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