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To: zeugma

"I do, but apparently like many you would give up all that makes us unique in the world for the illusion of safety."

I think that George Bush is NOT a greater threat to my liberty than al-Qaeda.

Even Thomas Jefferson had to fight the Islamofascists when he was President, and said "Millions for Defense not One Cent for Tribute."

If you think that the United States is a greater threat to your liberty then al-Qaida, you must buy a beret. LOL! Just kidding.

Europeans snarl at the country which is on eternal watch to keep them free, and lick the hands of the people that bomb their trains. Don't be European.


98 posted on 06/11/2006 8:01:27 PM PDT by Nickey (Loose Lips Sink Ships.)
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To: Nickey
I think that George Bush is NOT a greater threat to my liberty than al-Qaeda.

Can you please point out where  in this thread I said that.

Strawmen are boring. Try again.

99 posted on 06/11/2006 8:42:42 PM PDT by zeugma (I reject your reality and substitute my own in its place.)
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To: Nickey
By 1783, however, with the end of the Revolution, America became solely responsible for the safety of its own commerce and citizens. Without the means or the authority to field a naval force necessary to protect their ships in the Mediterranean, the nascent U.S. government took a pragmatic, but ultimately self-destructive route. In 1784, the United States Congress allocated money for payment of tribute to the pirates.

Use for the money came in 1785, when the dey of Algiers took two American ships hostage and demanded $60,000 in ransom for their crews. Then-ambassador to France Thomas Jefferson argued that conceding the ransom would only encourage more attacks. His objections fell on the deaf ears of an inexperienced American government too riven with domestic discord to make a strong show of force overseas. The U.S. paid Algiers the ransom, and continued to pay up to $1 million per year over the next 15 years for the safe passage of American ships or the return of American hostages. Payments in ransom and tribute to the privateering states amounted to 20 percent of United States government annual revenues in 1800.

Jefferson continued to argue for cessation of the tribute, with rising support from George Washington and others. With the recommissioning of the American navy in 1794 and the resulting increased firepower on the seas, it became more and more possible for America to say "no", although by now the long-standing habit of tribute was hard to overturn. A largely successful undeclared war with French privateers in the late 1790s showed that American naval power was now sufficient to protect the nation's interests.

On Jefferson's inauguration as president in 1801, Yussif Karamanli, the Pasha (or Bashaw) of Tripoli demanded $225,000 from the new administration. Putting his long-held beliefs into practice, Jefferson refused the demand. Consequently, in May of 1801, the Pasha declared war on the United States, not through any formal written documents, but by cutting down the flagstaff in front of the U.S. Consulate. Morocco, Algiers, and Tunis soon followed their ally in Tripoli.

In response, Jefferson sent a group of frigates to defend American interests in the Mediterranean, and informed Congress. Although Congress never voted on a formal declaration of war, they did authorize the President to instruct the commanders of armed vessels of the United States to seize all vessels and goods of the Pasha of Tripoli "and also to cause to be done all such other acts of precaution or hostility as the state of war will justify."

...USS Constitution, USS Constellation, USS Philadelphia, USS Chesapeake, USS Argus, USS Syren and USS Intrepid all saw service during the war under the overall command of Commodore Edward Preble. Throughout 1803, Preble set up and maintained a blockade of the Barbary ports and executed a campaign of raids and attacks against the cities' fleets.
From Wikipedia

100 posted on 06/11/2006 8:50:05 PM PDT by higgmeister (In the Shadow of The Big Chicken)
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