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Slate ^ | April 6, 2006 | Radley Balko

Posted on 04/07/2006 12:28:35 PM PDT by JTN

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1 posted on 04/07/2006 12:28:36 PM PDT by JTN
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2 posted on 04/07/2006 12:29:12 PM PDT by JTN ("I came here to kick ass and chew bubble gum. And I'm all out of bubble gum.")
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3 posted on 04/07/2006 12:36:40 PM PDT by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/israel_palestine_conflict.htm)
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To: JTN

Some tragic stories there but in IMHO it would mean more if it wasn't on salon.

I agree though that SWAT is a militarization of civilian police and the siezure laws are a violation of the Consitution.

SWAT is used more than it should because the police forces have to use them in order to maintain funding.


4 posted on 04/07/2006 12:42:56 PM PDT by driftdiver
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Most LEO's I know are gung-ho type military rejects. They join a SWAT team to try to make up for their failed military career.

Anyone wanna bet that the SC sides with the LEO's on this?

5 posted on 04/07/2006 12:43:41 PM PDT by CrawDaddyCA (I ain't learning no friggin' Spanish!! This is America, you learn English!!)
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...IMHO it would mean more if it wasn't on salon.

Well, actually, it is the SCOTUS and I hope they do the right thing.

6 posted on 04/07/2006 12:48:06 PM PDT by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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"it is the SCOTUS and I hope they do the right thing."

I was referring to the link.


7 posted on 04/07/2006 12:49:20 PM PDT by driftdiver
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To: driftdiver
Some tragic stories there but in IMHO it would mean more if it wasn't on salon.

It's Slate.

8 posted on 04/07/2006 12:49:26 PM PDT by JTN ("I came here to kick ass and chew bubble gum. And I'm all out of bubble gum.")
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To: JTN

http://blogs.salon.com/0002762/stories/2003/08/17/drugWarVictims.html


9 posted on 04/07/2006 12:51:25 PM PDT by 300magnum (We know that if evil is not confronted, it gains in strength and audacity, and returns to strike us)
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To: 300magnum

I thought he was referring to the article. At any rate:

A. The blog isn't run by Salon; they just provide the space for a fee.

B. Nearly all of those stories are backed up by links to news articles about the events.


10 posted on 04/07/2006 12:54:04 PM PDT by JTN ("I came here to kick ass and chew bubble gum. And I'm all out of bubble gum.")
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To: 300magnum

Thank you for posting that. I wasn't clear regarding which link I was referring to.

Some of the stories are tragic, and swat teams are over used, Our police forces have become militarized. The drug "war" is an incredible travesty. I don't have the answer to the drug problem but what we are doing isnt working.

The general twist that the salon link has is that police should knock nicely and the perps will give up their drugs. That doesn't happen and probably never will. IMO Salon is a liberal rag but then I am biased.


11 posted on 04/07/2006 12:57:01 PM PDT by driftdiver
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To: CrawDaddyCA

Stupidest post that I ever read here.
LEO's are regular people, fathers, mothers, etc. The truth is that a very small percentage of LEO's today are former military.
SWAT is usually a volunteer group of motivated officers with extra training.
Idiots who bash all cops as trigger-happy, gung-ho, power-trippers obviously do not really know any cops.
Join a ride-along program, many police departments have them.


12 posted on 04/07/2006 12:59:47 PM PDT by T-Bro
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To: driftdiver
IMO Salon is a liberal rag but then I am biased.

I guess I'm biased too, because I agree.

13 posted on 04/07/2006 1:01:21 PM PDT by 300magnum (We know that if evil is not confronted, it gains in strength and audacity, and returns to strike us)
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To: driftdiver
I understand. But the source doesn't change the fact that this case is before the SCOTUS. I hope they side with the Constitution.

There is a SWAT show on TV that shows them using SWAT to bust guys in cars after an undercover sells them something for $10. That is going too far.

14 posted on 04/07/2006 1:02:24 PM PDT by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: T-Bro

Beg to differ. Many, many police are dedicated hard working individuals who believe in what they are doing and risk life and limb daily. However, too many are a hop, skip and jump from being jack booted thugs.

I have sat on juries where the "skin headed" cop was obviously lying and it took all had to convince the other jurors who were ready to convict because the cop said the guy did it.


15 posted on 04/07/2006 1:05:53 PM PDT by MiHeat
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To: T-Bro

One SWAT incident I've read about. The SWAT team went in to rescue a man who was emotionally unstable. There were weapons in the house but no people except this man.

They entered the house with their automatic weapons and were soon yelling for more ammo. Short time later one cop was dead, one was injured and the man was shot twice. He was immediately charged with murder.

Later they confirmed that all guns in the house were locked up and the man was unarmed. The police had fired 369 rounds and had shot each other.

Yes most cops are good people but it only takes a few to give them all a bad name. I believe police forces are becoming too militarized and their recruiting practices attract those who want the power. Getting to play with special weapons and gear has been emphasized in recruitment around the nation. Police no longer protect and serve, they patrol and monitor the human garbage.

The idea that we should just trust cops to protect our rights and we can relax the legal restrictions is silly.

In America our government works for the citizens and derives its power from the same. At least it used to be that way.


16 posted on 04/07/2006 1:11:31 PM PDT by driftdiver
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To: T-Bro
Join a ride-along program, many police departments have them.

All police departments have them. Some of us just don't like the involuntary nature and the handcuffs.

17 posted on 04/07/2006 1:13:33 PM PDT by elkfersupper
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To: JTN

If the rights of the people are upheld, the police will simply ignore the ruling.

Then it will still be up to the individuals who have suffered harm to find an attorney and sue the police.

Same thing as we have now.


18 posted on 04/07/2006 1:17:39 PM PDT by Supernatural (A 1,000 lies can be told, but the truth is still the truth.)
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To: JTN

Street! Take the rear!
I'm on it, Hondo!
TJ! Take the roof!
Yes, Sir!
Deac! Sweep the van!
Say whut?!


19 posted on 04/07/2006 1:18:37 PM PDT by Hatteras
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To: T-Bro

It all boils down to one simple question:

Are they Peace Officers, or Law Enforcement Officers?

The difference between the two is the Attitude . . .


20 posted on 04/07/2006 1:18:53 PM PDT by Petruchio ( ... .--. .- -.-- / .- -. -.. / -. . ..- - . .-. / .. .-.. .-.. . --. .- .-.. / .- .-.. .. . -. ...)
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