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Victor Davis Hanson: Has Ahmadinejad Miscalculated? [He] better sober up and do some cool reckoning
NRO ^ | April 7, 2006 | Victor Davis Hanson

Posted on 04/07/2006 6:21:01 AM PDT by Tolik

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1 posted on 04/07/2006 6:21:06 AM PDT by Tolik
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2 posted on 04/07/2006 6:22:00 AM PDT by Tolik
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To: Tolik

Where the Islamic world is concerned, that scary 10% of my brain is already in full control. I say glass 'em.


3 posted on 04/07/2006 6:33:18 AM PDT by wizardoz
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To: Tolik

V.D. Hanson's last minute, eloquent plea for Iranian sanity -- in another universe it might have an effect.


4 posted on 04/07/2006 6:34:26 AM PDT by hershey
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To: Tolik
But I WANT a sky full of very angry and righteous jets dropping their happy fun payloads of death! I want Tehran in flames and the Mullahs' heads impaled on sticks as a deterrent to the next batch of jihadis not to mess with the West.
5 posted on 04/07/2006 6:35:38 AM PDT by JAWs (Ytringsfrihed er ytringsfrihed er ytringsfrihed. Der er intet men.)
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To: Tolik

Great article, but I disagree with the conclusion. I would say: please, Mr. Ahmadinejad, heat up the rhetoric fast and talk your way into a sky full of very angry and righteous jets.


6 posted on 04/07/2006 6:36:37 AM PDT by ZeitgeistSurfer (Visit the Iran Crater in 2008)
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To: ZeitgeistSurfer
You wouldn't like us when we are angry.
7 posted on 04/07/2006 6:44:41 AM PDT by isaiah55version11_0 (For His Glory)
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To: Tolik
Read it all.

Bump.

8 posted on 04/07/2006 6:48:20 AM PDT by DoctorMichael (The Fourth-Estate is a Fifth-Column!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: Tolik
Mr.Ahmadinejad, consider the following photograph...

We got lots more, just like this one.

Are you sure you want to go down this road?

9 posted on 04/07/2006 6:52:14 AM PDT by bondjamesbond (RICE 2008)
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To: Tolik

Please add me to the VDH ping list!


10 posted on 04/07/2006 6:56:48 AM PDT by SquirrelKing (Contrary to popular belief, America is not a democracy, it is a Chucktatorship.)
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To: Tolik

I do so love that paragraph about the 90/10 ratio. Beware the wrath of a patient man (and a patient country as well).

Great article. Thanks for posting it.


11 posted on 04/07/2006 7:01:19 AM PDT by Grandma Pam
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To: Tolik
The Islamist are fond of talking about the Billion Muslims, and how they will be able to dominate the World. But the fact of the matter is that the Muslims in Indonesia are not going to intervene if we take out Iran. It will not be there fight, under any concievable circumstance.

There is an old saying in Islamic circles. When a Muslim you don't really care directly about is in need, you are forbidden to refuse to help him, so you tell him "that he can drink from the sea..."

This will be the attitude of 99.9% of the Muslim world if Ahmadinejad and his government disappear in a whiff of smoke. They'll bellow. They'll riot. But ultimately, it will not be their problem.

12 posted on 04/07/2006 7:07:16 AM PDT by bondjamesbond (RICE 2008)
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To: Tolik

Thanks for the full text.


13 posted on 04/07/2006 7:09:01 AM PDT by metesky ("Brethren, leave us go amongst them." Rev. Capt. Samuel Johnston Clayton - Ward Bond- The Searchers)
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To: JAWs

Why not a sky full of angry & righteous MUSHROM


14 posted on 04/07/2006 7:13:49 AM PDT by 1903A3
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To: Tolik
an Iranian land invasion into Basra

Which would be suicide for Iran. It's one thing to project power and take territory from someone else. It's quite another to defend territory someone is trying to take from you.

It would be nice to fight a battle where, for once, we had the defenders advantage. After a fierce defensive battle, which we would undoubtedly win, Iran's losses would leave it vulnerable to a quick riposte into their territory.
15 posted on 04/07/2006 7:24:21 AM PDT by JamesP81 (Ignorance of the 10th Amendment should disqualify a person from holding office or being a teacher)
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It would be nice to fight a battle where, for once, we had the defenders advantage. After a fierce defensive battle, which we would undoubtedly win, Iran's losses would leave it vulnerable to a quick riposte into their territory.

Sort of like Tet in 1968?

"We" (I wasn't there) had the defender's advantage ... and after we figued out what was what, we annihilated the Viet Cong.

Huge victory, right?

Not according to Walter Cronkite ...

16 posted on 04/07/2006 7:30:20 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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But I WANT a sky full of very angry and righteous jets dropping their happy fun payloads of death! I want Tehran in flames and the Mullahs' heads impaled on sticks as a deterrent to the next batch of jihadis not to mess with the West.

That's what I call a "measured response".....

17 posted on 04/07/2006 7:44:52 AM PDT by Thermalseeker
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To: Tolik
As the famous German author Heinrich von Kleist put it in his play Prinz von Homburg, "Into the dust with all of the enemies of Brandenburg!" (In Staub mit allen Feinden Brandenburgs)

We should provide the Iranians with documentary footage of (1) Dresden before and after the Allies destroyed it, (2) the Hiroshima bomb explosion, with before and after pictures, and (3)the Nagasaki explosion, with before and after pictures.

We should convey to them that we are perfectly capable, in our own atavistic way, of evaluating the goodness of Iranians in the very same way Genera. Phillip Sheridan evaluated the goodness of Indians, e.g. The only good Iranians I ever saw were dead.

If that doesn't sober them up, and it likely won't, then Cry Havoc! and let slip the dogs of war!

18 posted on 04/07/2006 7:45:11 AM PDT by CatoRenasci (Ceterum Censeo Arabiam Esse Delendam -- Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit)
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To: Tolik
"talk your way into a sky full of very angry and righteous jets."

In the words of the Mask, "SMOKIN"!!!

My money is on the idiot in Tehran doing just that. "Go ahead punk, make my day."

19 posted on 04/07/2006 7:53:47 AM PDT by el_texicano (Liberals, Socialist, DemocRATS, all touchy, feely, mind numbed robots, useless idiots all)
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To: Tolik

I'll bet that we're going to strike Iran, and hard. Why? First, the Iranian leadership, like the Germans twice and the Japanese once, have utterly failed to understand us. Generally, the US is an amiable country. We haven't been particularly bellicose toward others in an offensive way since about 1898 (too bad for the Spanish), so we appear soft. Also, as the Japanese reminded us after the end of WW2, we're prone to bouts of near suicidal pacifism on occasion (then it was the re-authorization of the draft in 1940 by only 1 vote). So, we appear weak and unwilling to fight - the key word there being "appear."

Second, there's steel underneath all that weak-looking flab on the surface. This is, after all, the same country that within living memory mobilized over 40% of its GNP for a war against 2 modern and powerful empires, and which had armed forces amounting to nearly 10% of its population. That's when we felt threatened - and that's what Iran is doing now.

If Iran keeps it up, then they'll get to see what we're like when we're pissed off. I would, however, like to offer Iran some advice: ask some old Germans and Japanese what its like to eff with the US of A.


20 posted on 04/07/2006 8:47:11 AM PDT by Ancesthntr
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