[Eastbound]

When the borders were not closed down on 9/11, or at least by 9/12, I knew that we would not have major security for the homeland. I'm sure the gummint has succeeded in preventing further acts of terrorism here since, but we are still vulnerable and remain vulnerable forever unless the border is secure.

It is mind-boggling to me that the gummint is tossing the dice on this -- weighing the benefits of illegal alien labor against the losses of possible terrorism because of open borders.

[lsjogren]

Whoops:

I originally misread your statement as saying Hagel/Martinez voted no because they knew it was going to pass, I reread your post and saw that you said they knew it was NOT going to pass.

OK, that makes sense then.

[clawrence3]

There is no such thing as 100% secure - closing the borders would not even do that - there were hundreds of escapes over even the Berlin Wall.